Anime Pub Thread v.503

TheDarkOne · Post by **TheDarkOne** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:00 am

sure it does...

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:06 am

That really does make no sense Mikey

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:22 am

Sure it does. He thinks Esca is the best, but likes UY the most.

I always had the impression that Esca was his favorite though.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:34 am

Meh. I guess I have a different way of thinking then, because usually when I say something is the best, it is my favorite!

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:35 am

Well then you utterly lack objectivity!

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:40 am

Shhh!

You know I am a Kenshin ova 1 fanboiboboi.

no name · Post by **no name** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:57 am

Leftover wrote:The best anime I've EVER seen however is Escaflowne.

Which is probably the exact reason LoR and Killey get along so well! Either that or.. they're clones of each other

God.. ever since DO's ftp went back up, I've been leeching like a whore. I have so much to watch now D:

Shows I just started: Elfen Lied, Otogizoushi, and One Piece

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:29 am

I don't understand! Me, Mikey, and Killey should get along well too!

Esca is my favorite anime tv series. Next to Bebop that is

Henchman #2 · Post by **Henchman #2** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:32 am

Leftover's thinking makes sense.

It's like saying I don't think FMA is the best anime, but its definitely my most favorite one. Ever.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:15 am

Escaflowne is easily in my top 5, so I don't put it past Killey and LoR.

Stellvia on the other hand... but we've exhausted that enough.

TheDarkOne · Post by **TheDarkOne** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:06 am

hi guys... i've never seen Stellvia!

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:12 am

Well this is how I look at it.

You have those shows you love watching, but that has its obvious flaws. Hell, not so much flaws to be pointed out, but differences in taste. That's your personal favorite.

Then you have those shows that are bar none really damn good, something that just takes everything that makes anime such a joy to watch, and goes beyond excelling at it. Those type of shows were very, very, VERY few people can be found speaking negatively about it.

I love watching Urusei Yatsura. I really love watching it. I can't put into words how much I love watching it. It's my favorite series. I could watch it for days. I can never get sick of it.

Escaflowne on the other hand, is the best anime I've ever seen, and thus the best done. All its pieces connect effortlessly, and it just flows from start to finish with nary a bump in the road, practically perfection. Hence, it is the best anime I've seen. I'm in awe every time I decide to watch it again (epsiode 14

).

So one (UY) appeals to my personal tastes, but not really factoring general appeal, whilst the other (Esca) takes part of general appeal and personal tastes.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:13 am

Yeah, I see where you are coming from, I was just being an ass

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:24 am

You mean like how we like Green Green, right LoR? :>>

My 'favorite' and my 'best' happen to coincide, so oh well.

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:51 am

no name wrote:
Leftover wrote:The best anime I've EVER seen however is Escaflowne.
Which is probably the exact reason LoR and Killey get along so well! Either that or.. they're clones of each other

God.. ever since DO's ftp went back up, I've been leeching like a whore. I have so much to watch now D:

Shows I just started: Elfen Lied, Otogizoushi, and One Piece

One Piece?! You must be really bored and/or trying to suck up to Tim.

no name · Post by **no name** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:07 am

Vibing_V wrote:
no name wrote:
Leftover wrote:The best anime I've EVER seen however is Escaflowne.
Which is probably the exact reason LoR and Killey get along so well! Either that or.. they're clones of each other

God.. ever since DO's ftp went back up, I've been leeching like a whore. I have so much to watch now D:

Shows I just started: Elfen Lied, Otogizoushi, and One Piece
One Piece?! You must be really bored and/or trying to suck up to Tim.

Nah, everyone just kept ranting and ranting about it... and it just happened to be one of the only things on the ftp that i didnt have/was remotely interested in anime-wise.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:10 am

One Piss

I need to get back to reading that :O

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:05 pm

YOU BETTER.

Yeah and Sally wtf, don't hate on my One Piece!

Hi Ho!

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:08 pm

More reasons to hate on vibes

Anyway, stellvia sux :]

I hate how every episode of fma feels like 2 minutes instead of 20, even though I never really look forward to watching an episode, it just goes too damn fast.

ERGH BEST STUFF
I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYMORE

Best anime
1. GTO
2-5 -> FMP, Gungrave, Hajime no Ippo, Fruits Basket

In no particular order, I don't have one anymore.

Absolute best manga read
1. 20th Century Boys
2. Death Note
3-5 -> Hikaru no Go, Yakitate Japan, Happy, I"s.

It's considerably more difficult for manga because there's just so many titles which make you want to ejaculate. I'd throw in Doraemon into the final 3-5 mix as well, but I don't suppose I feel like it. I also excluded Berserk because as good as it is, it's far too traumatising.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:02 pm

Making a top 5 is difficult

But I agree with LoR, for me my fav anime probably wouldn't be the one I consider as the best one objectively.
Though at the moment I have no idea which one would be number 1 for me in either category

Well, let's see...

Best anime serie evar: hmm, maybe Nadia? Though Esca would definitely in the top 5 as well... And Eva...

Fav anime serie evar: now that's a difficult one... For me it would probably have to be something from my childhood, because of all the memories... So something old skool anyway... So it would be a completely biased and irrational choice anyway

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:21 pm

Best Anime Evar:

RahXephon (100)
Azumanga Daioh (99.999999999999999999999999999999999)
Maison Ikkoku
Maria-sama (probably will be #3 or maybe #2)
Rurouni Kenshin

Best Manga Evar:

Slam Dunk
Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou
Hana Yori Dango
Fruits Basket
Touch

That looks about right.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:42 pm

That's not the best, these are just your favs

imo Slam Dunk is good, but it's nothing that special, so it doesn't deserve to be 1st...

And personnally I would put MI in the top5 mangas, not animes

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:46 pm

Doom wrote:You mean like how we like Green Green, right LoR? :>>

It was awesome having someone to watch Green Green with, I mean it was fucked up but damn was it entertaining.

Xephonic · Post by **Xephonic** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:56 pm

Too hard to make a top 5 ;_;

Something something something
Kenshin OVA, Escaflowne, Bebop, FLCL, RAGNAROK ONLINE HUR HUR HUR HUR MADLAX HA HA HA HA

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:06 pm

lol everyone makin lists

i'll do mine after fma + class + hw

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:14 pm

no name wrote:
Leftover wrote:The best anime I've EVER seen however is Escaflowne.
Which is probably the exact reason LoR and Killey get along so well! Either that or.. they're clones of each other

God.. ever since DO's ftp went back up, I've been leeching like a whore. I have so much to watch now D:

Shows I just started: Elfen Lied, Otogizoushi, and One Piece

Mikey and I get along so well because our general taste in anime are very similar. Of course it helps that Escaflowne is our top anime but my personal favorite and best done anime coincide with each other. I'm not as big of a Rumiko Takahashi fan as he is though.

You've reminded me that I needed to download the One Piece anime but I just might wait for the DVD releases. Plus, I have no harddrive at the moment to be starting anything really new.

Personal Favorite animes:
1) Escaflowne
2) Kaleido Star (though I'm contemplating if this would be tied with Escaflowne)
3) Fruits Basket
4) Stellvia
5) Air Master

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:20 pm

Calbrena wrote:That's not the best, these are just your favs

imo Slam Dunk is good, but it's nothing that special, so it doesn't deserve to be 1st...
And personnally I would put MI in the top5 mangas, not animes

No, it's the best to me, and I'll argue every single one of them if you make me

Slam Dunk is one of those rare mangas that not only has everyone heard about and read, but one that has truly changed a culture. That's the impression I get when I talk to my Japanese friends about it - not only was it well-written, exciting, dramatic, funny, but it was also responsible for helping basketball (and, in a larger sense, more American and African-American culture) to be imported into Japan.

I've never read the Maison Ikkoku manga, so I put it in anime.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:53 pm

1. Kenshin ova 1
2. Cowboy Bebop
3. Escaflowne
4. RahXephon
5. FMA

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:13 pm

1) Escaflowne
1.5) Kaleido Star
2) Fruits Basket

That's it for now.

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:34 pm

Escaflowne will never be in my top 30 anime even. It sucks >:|

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:57 pm

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:58 pm

Woopy.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:06 pm

ZIPPY DOO DA.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:34 pm

OMG LIST TIEM!1!!1

Anime:

1. RahXephon
2. Naruto
3. FLCL
4. Neon Genesis Evangelion
5. Trigun

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:39 pm

Okay well, for something as elite as the top 5, my favorites and the ones I think are the "best" coincide, those being

TV
1. Bebop
t-2. RX
t-2. Escaflowne
4. Eva
5. NTHT

OVA
1. Kenshin 1
2. FLCL
3. Macross Plus
4. Macross Zero
5. Read or Die

though those do not collectively make up my best/favorite 10 TV/OVA (the last two OVAs would be knocked off in favor of GTO and GitS SAC for best, GTO and Fumoffu for favorite).

I haven't seen too many (stand alone) movies so I won't rank those; the ones I have seen are half Ghibli anyway.

Of course I think something like a top 5 is WAY too unfair to the multitude of great shows out there. It'd be a lot easier for me to make something like a top 50, unranked (I wonder if I've broken 100 series/OVA watched...)

Oh yeah, manga (and here it makes a difference):

Edit: eh, I don't think I'm qualified enough to rank manga, so I'll throw out my best list.

Favorites in no particular order:

I"s, 20th Century Boys, Death Note, Touch, H2, Monster, Yakitate, Maison Ikkoku, Blame, Gantz, KOR

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:40 pm

FLCL is an OVA?

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:41 pm

that list makes me want to cry

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:42 pm

Because it's so poignantly accurate rite?

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:49 pm

no i meant maverick's

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:52 pm

btw yes, FLCL is an OVA

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:57 pm

It's because I have shitty tastes.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:58 pm

TV:

1. Cowboy Bebop
2. Escaflowne
3. RX
4. FMA
5. Azumanga

OVa:

1. RK ova 1
2. FLCL
3. Read or Die
4. Gundam 0083
5. Blue Sub 6

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:04 pm

Damn it you've made your list already.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:19 pm

A question Doom.. why Bebop as number one? I can see why some people would put it there, but I'd like to hear what you have to say

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:40 pm

Well, simply because it is the most polished anime I have ever seen. I can hardly find a single thing wrong with it in terms of presentation. It's lacking a sequential story, but not a big picture. I think it's very obvious that the show sets out to focus on the nuances of the setting and the quirks of the characters, and I can appreciate it for that, as well as the eye-popping (for its time) visuals, the overarching homage to westernization, the eclectic music which fits perfectly - and of course this is purely subjective (LoR thinks the music is horribly unfitting in the show, for example) - and its rewatchability (making up words is fun). I don't really think that I'm offering any new arguments, but there you have it.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:22 pm

Doom wrote:Well, simply because it is the most polished anime I have ever seen. I can hardly find a single thing wrong with it in terms of presentation. It's lacking a sequential story, but not a big picture. I think it's very obvious that the show sets out to focus on the nuances of the setting and the quirks of the characters, and I can appreciate it for that, as well as the eye-popping (for its time) visuals, the overarching homage to westernization, the eclectic music which fits perfectly - and of course this is purely subjective (LoR thinks the music is horribly unfitting in the show, for example) - and its rewatchability (making up words is fun). I don't really think that I'm offering any new arguments, but there you have it.

There are so many good things about Bebop, and as Doom said it has like it's rewatchability. You can watch Bebop over and over and never bored because the episodes are ova style: they all SEEM random if you're a nub, but each and every Bebop eps is fun and tells you more about the Bebop universe. Which makes it really, the most fun to watch anime tv series I have ever seen. I first saw Bebop 3 years ago and I still watch it occasionally. I saw Kenshin ova 1 5 years ago and I STILL watch it atleast monthly.

If something is on my list, usually it means I can watch it OVER AND OVER and never get bored. FLCL is another. Since it's only 6 eps, I can watch all of that like in 2 hours. And it's easily one of the best anime's ever. It's just pure fun to watch.

Actually, ovas in general are more fun to watch than tv series. OVAS own me.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:24 pm

I'm watching MoO, and I hate how it jumps ahead, skipping things and confusing me.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:22 pm

j0hn Ayanami wrote:No, it's the best to me, and I'll argue every single one of them if you make me Slam Dunk is one of those rare mangas that not only has everyone heard about and read, but one that has truly changed a culture. That's the impression I get when I talk to my Japanese friends about it - not only was it well-written, exciting, dramatic, funny, but it was also responsible for helping basketball (and, in a larger sense, more American and African-American culture) to be imported into Japan.

ok, I see your point, but surely the same thing could be said about other mangas?

For example, if you use these criterias, how comes there's no Tezuka manga in your list?

(In my top 5 there would be at least one, though I'm not sure which one yet... I guess Buddah(sp?

) is the most important as far as I'm concerned... )

About promoting a new foreign sport for example, Captain Tsubasa did just the same, as far as I know anyway... (and it did even more, CT is the reason why France won in 98!

)
Though Slam Dunk is really special, with so many charismatic characters (Rukawa

)... I read only the first 8 vol. or so though, so I'm afraid I'm not a specialist...

btw,

about Bebop. I wouldn't put it in first, but it's definitely in my top 5 (2nd ex-aequo with Esca I guess...). I couldn't have explained why better than that

EDIT: Oh, and Garbo needs to die...

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:27 am

Joei wrote:I'm watching MoO, and I hate how it jumps ahead, skipping things and confusing me.

From episodes 3 to 11, there are separate story arcs that don't have anything to do with each other, but do play into the big picture, which becomes infinitely clearer when you watch the arc that goes from 12-14.

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:43 am

I acknowledge the superb style and execution Bebop has, but what I had the most interest is what they spent the somewhat least amount of time in, that being the characters. I didn't care for the comatose hacker, the butch space trucker, the kid with the plant, nor Andy (it was a funny episode mind you) at all, in the slightest. I didn't want to know about the world they lived in, I wanted to know about Spike, Jet, and Faye.

Which brings up my sheer unrivaled magntitude of hate for Ed, who I did not find funny nor cute, nor worth the need to exist in any way, shape, or form. I mean that. She had her purpose, but I didn't like her, I really, really, really didn't like her (I hate her actually). Way too annoying, even as use of contrast against the rest of the cast.

When they got to their pasts though, Bebop was untouchable. Faye's past had me most intrigued, I felt rather sorry for her, especially since I disliked her for most fo the show.

I don't like the ending (Julia is my favorite character, believe it or not), I think the music fits much better OUTSIDE of the show, and I didn't like Pierrot Le Fou either, regardless of what type of homage it was supposed to be, but that doesn't keep it from being a damn good show.

It's usually #10 or #11 on my list though.

Square Gamer

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