Gundam Seed Destiny

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:13 am

Doom wrote:

am i the only one going "WTF ATHRUN JUST GO KICK ALL THEIR ASSES" the whole time while watching this show so far?

Well, I'm more thinking "WTF, Where's Kira so that Athrun and him can go kick all of their asses!"

I really want the series to get to a point where everyone will be on equal terms with Kira and Athrun.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:02 pm

Found something rather interesting on 4chan a few days ago.

http://www.strike9.com/Killey/1099435424998.gif

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sun Nov 07, 2004 11:36 pm

Oh man... NEED EP 5

no name · Post by **no name** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:44 am

Doom wrote:Oh man... NEED EP 5

Athrun

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:49 am

Well, not just him... other returning chars !

no name · Post by **no name** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:11 am

Doom wrote:Well, not just him... other returning chars !

But seriously.. who the fuck cares about them?

YES I'M KIDDING! PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY!

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:11 pm

Deakka and Yzak better be piloting some mechs next episode! Unfortunately, it'll probably be variations on Zaku's instead of Buster and Duel.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:10 pm

I haven't watched this since eps 1!

Tonight I watch!

Seta · Post by **Seta** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:30 am

When will we be seeing some Lacus action?

Yzak and Deakka next ep is

though.

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:49 am

All I can say is, I'm enjoying this. At the same time... I'm also enjoying Gundam SEED on Cartoon Network on Friday nights. >_> Yeah. I admit I never finished watching Gundam SEED. I have a friend who has most, but not all (I don't think at least) of Gundam SEED but it's from Anime Junkies. So while some stuff in Destiny (which I suppose I shouldn't even be watching) won't make sense to me, it will eventually.

All I really want to know right now is, who's side is Athrun going to be on and when does he get his Gundam?

I also desire more dual sword Impulse action.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:32 am

The network really needs to air episode 6 sooner.

Episode 5 was pretty interesting and they seem to be doing something large, which is surprising considering that it is only 5 episodes into the series. I was wondering when the Seed universe would do a Colony Drop of somesort.

They needed to utilize Dearka and Yzak a lot more in this episode but I guess they'll make up for that in the next episode. It doesn't matter at the point because if all things go right we should be seeingLacus and Kira in the next episode.

@ the nobles, for a lack of a better word, playing snooker and Gilbert Dullindal is the mack daddy of the ship.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 3:37 am

I watched a lot of a seed aj and it's really not that bad kakeru.

I'm enjoying it. Episode 4 was pretty good. Can't wait for eps 5.

spoiler!

I'm really thinking that the pilots for the federation are indeed similar to the drug pilots in the original. They certainly don't seem as physcotic, and feel more normal. But it seems even they can get fucked up. Especially Stellar, who freaks out after hearing that one guy on her team suggest she die. I can't wait for more info on that. Also, I can't wait to see Shinn get it with Stellar.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:18 am

himurokoken wrote:I watched a lot of a seed aj and it's really not that bad kakeru.

Your opinion becomes invalid once you say that AJ is not that bad.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:03 am

What I'm saying is that AJ's seed fansubs are TOLERABLE and are no reason to not watch Seed.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:17 am

At that rate you might as well watch the raws if you are willing to watch AJ's fansubs. You'll understand the same amount either way.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:27 am

Not really.

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:43 am

See... it's the same thing I was trying to tell my friend.. but he didn't listen. All he cares about is speed and video quality.

He didn't get SEED fansubs for 2 reasons: they were slow (can't much blame him for this one), and because during the ending theme the frame rate wasn't smooth.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:08 pm

rofl... Yzak's scar healed !

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:47 pm

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:20 am

Episode 6 owned!
It was great to see Yzak, Dearka, and Athrun fight alongside each other once more but too bad it was in crappy Zakus. It's quite sad that the three new Gundam pilots can't even compare to Yzak, Athrun, and Dearka considering they have new models while the rest are piloting Zakus. I'd hate to see what would happen if Yzak, Dearka, and Athrun had their original Gundams.

The most important thing in this episode was the apperance of Lacus and Kira. I'm really hoping that Kira decides to take action faster but I guess that would heavily unbalance everything considering that he still probably has Freedom with him.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 3:37 am

Shinn's a gimp of a main character. Am I the only one who feels that he's been second fiddle to Athrun so far? I mean clearly they want to continue the story of Kira and Athrun, and certainly that's a good thing, but it hurts the presentation of Shinn... but it's early.

Athrun and Yzak pulled some killer moves in those Ginns.

Karnov · Post by **Karnov** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:11 pm

Doom wrote:Shinn's a gimp of a main character. Am I the only one who feels that he's been second fiddle to Athrun so far? I mean clearly they want to continue the story of Kira and Athrun, and certainly that's a good thing, but it hurts the presentation of Shinn... but it's early.

Athrun and Yzak pulled some killer moves in those Ginns.

I've felt the same way since almost the beginning. So far he's been fairly cliche in the mold of characters like Anakin Skywalker, how cliche that is I actually don't really know. On top of that he's blindly badmouthing one of the most noble characters from the first season, and has been only slightly above average as a Gundam pilot. They seem to be trying pretty hard to make him unlikable. I say let Athrun drive the Voltron robot, it's depressing not seeing him, Dearka, or Yzak in Gundams. Though it looks like things are about to pick up with Shinn, I don't think there will be much character development on his part that will seem unpredictable or fresh. After 50 previous episodes Athrun is still the more interesting character.

On the bright side, it was fun to watch Yzak and Athrun pick up where they left off, and we might see some Freedom action in the next episode.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:39 pm

Haha yeah, I don't know how we're supposed to like him since he's so anti-Cagalli.

Karnov · Post by **Karnov** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:51 pm

Yep, if you mess with Cagalli you must die, though I was referring to Uzumi in the other post.

spoiler?
I'm glad that they're using flashbacks again this time around. After Shinn went off on Cagalli, the flashback to Uzumi made it instantly clear that he did understand the weight of his actions on his people and stayed behind to die to take responsibility. When I saw that episode around a year ago, I wasn't entirely sure why he did that, and I admit it's a bit of ignorance on my part, but it does show just what an effective boost the flashbacks are to the storytelling.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:59 pm

Ah, I see.

Steven Webber · Post by **Steven Webber** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:28 pm

Episode 6 was AWESOME, that battle scene against the "Block Word Freaks" (Sting and Auel) was mesmerizing due to the fact that I've never seen Gundams being OWNED like that by a ZAKU.

Abyss leg ---> SLASH ! it's gone !!! thanks to Yzak.
Chaos's shield ---> SLASH too ! thanks to Yzak again.

and when I thought they reached the limit in Gundam amputation...

ATHRUN ZALA just sends his beam axe flying and CHOPS-OFF Chaos's other arm....

THAT SCENE WAS TOTAL OWNAGE !!!!!!

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:21 pm

Ep 6 was great. Want ep 7 now.

I wouldn't even really call Shinn the main character. If you ask me it seems mostly to be about Athrun anyway. Shinn may have the "OMGAWSOME" Gundam but, he's just not cool like Athrun. And if you watch the opening it looks like Athrun WILL be getting a Gundam eventually. I just hope it's soon.

I attribute the flimsyness of the stolen Gundams to Zaft's terrible rip off of Orb's technology. If you ask me, they just weren't built as well as the 5 from SEED.
Speaking of SEED, one of these days I will fully understand what's going on in this Destiny. Honest I will. I just need to find someone who can upload subbed SEED episodes to an FTP or something that AREN'T Anime Junkies.

Henchman #2 · Post by **Henchman #2** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:01 pm

Where Gundam SEED failed me, Destiny has achieved greatly.

Zakus beating Gundams is probably the best thing I've seen as of yet in this series, and definitely proves that skill goes beyond the MS the pilot has. I would really like to see how the SEED pilots will compare to the Destiny pilots, even though the answer is obvious.

I was a little surprised with Yzak's convo with Athrun. I understand a bit of animosity between them from SEED, but Yzak sounded too arrogant, yet I liked it.

So it seems Kira has returned from the grave, and is obviously going to bring out Freedom. I'm really interested in seeing how he will connect with the rest of the ensemble, and how long he's staying.

God, I did not get this excited over SEED.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:03 pm

I'm not sure if that was actual animosity between Athrun and Yzak. I mean, arrogance is pretty much built into Yzak's character, and they're probably just taking playful shots at each other. Dearka seemed pretty good-natured about it. Of course you can take Yzak saying "I'm not taking orders from a citizen! I'm the commander now!" as hostility, but I think it's just a poke at Athrun since he was the one in charge in SEED.

The only way I see the spotlight being fully handed to Destiny's leads is obviously to kill off most of the characters from the original, which would displease me greatly.

Henchman #2 · Post by **Henchman #2** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:13 pm

Hm... I've always thought there was something going between the two, and their conversation was not made jokingly, especially at a time like that. I even had an idea that they were not too fond of Athrun after defecting ZAFT completely. Ah well, personal opinion.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:17 pm

Well, Dearka defected too, and his reaction seemed to defuse whatever bad vibes I had picked up from the conversation, but yeah, we'll just have to wait and see.

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:32 pm

There's always been that kind of hostility between Athrun and Yzak though. Even in SEED Yzak never really seemed to like Athrun. Up to what I've seen at least.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:14 am

Yzak has a bit of a rivalry going on with Athrun, though it seems to be one sided, since the beginning of Seed but it's more apparent in the drama CD's.

It's clearly understandable of Shin's hostility towards Orb and Cagalli and his ignorance at this point is the cause of it. Obviosuly, he knows nothing of the sacrifices that were made during the war. I wouldn't consider Shin the main character at this point, as the story thus far has placed a heavy amount of focus on the Athrun and Cagalli. However, I think there will be a gradual shift of this role as the series progresses further. My prediction is that we'll Shin gradually take center stage or at least a heavier role in the later half of the series when he finally comes to the realization of what happened in the war and the sacrifices that were made had a reason.

The factor that will really make Shin stand apart is the development between Shin and Kira later on in the series since it was during Kira's battle at Orb that caused the death of Shin's family. I don't expect to see a bigger development between Kira and Athrun either since the events of Seed seemed to resolve that.

Karnov · Post by **Karnov** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 3:54 am

So is anyone even interested in any of the new characters? I know it's harder to develop new characters due to just the sheer number of them now, but I can't even remember these guys names at times. Nostalgia, so far, has been the main selling point for me in this series. It's looking like they could have left alot of the new guys at home. I think Dullindal is pretty good, and the captain of the minerva is alright(her first officer is an idiot), and I guess I'm sort of interested in Rey since there is a bit of mystery around him, but no one else really sticks in my head.

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:34 pm

None of the new characters really interest me at all. Their mostly pretty boring. Also I find the design of the Minerva to be pretty ugly. The Phantom Pain (Bogey 1) on the other hand... That's a nice look'n ship.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:45 am

The only new characters that I find intriguing are Shin and the girl who pilots Gaia (I can't remember her name). There are other characters that stand out for me but that's mostly due to the voice actor/actress.

Karnov · Post by **Karnov** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 3:37 am

It's a shame because right now it looks like things are structured to where the new characters will be the ones pushing the story forward and the old characters will be there only for support, with Athrun being the only exception so far. The new guys have big shoes to fill and not enough time to win anyone over.

One last thought on Shin for now. I definately sympathize with him for the loss of his family, and I can let him slide for his insults on a the Atha family; but he's (assuming willingly) joined Zaft and started piloting mobile suits, and I don't cut him any slack for that. He's running a close parallel with the people whom he aims his bitterness at now. In other words he's in a position where he could inadvertantly take an innocent life of his own, and I think it's just a matter of time. I guess there's a chance he may have been aware of this and had just not cared, in which case I lose more respect for him. Anyway, that's an issue that I think might be brought up in later episodes. I'm sorry if I sound pretentious, I know everyone has their ideas on what will happen.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:27 am

New Lacus song=:ruroken
Episode 7 is purely a character development episode and it did a fine job of doing that.

Leave it to Athrun to find a way to survive an Earth entrance in a mere Zaku. If it was diffucult for Kira to even survive the entrance with the Strike. Big

to see Athrun own everyone with his gun skills.

It feels kind of odd having a Colony drop so soon in the series as those are usually used at the end of a Gundam series as a last resort. Anyways, it was a great way to further develop Athrun's as well as Shin's character. The flashbacks to Patrick Zala's death was a nice touch and you can really tell what Athrun is going through and the fact that Shin can somewhat understand this is a good start to developing his character.

This episode really reenforces Cagalli's ignorance in recent events. I like seeing the conflict between Shin and Cagalli as it gives us a nice spectrum of views and opinions.

I wonder how long it will take before Kira finally gets involved in this conflict. You can tell that he can't sit still much longer and that eventually he'll become involved in the grand spectrum of things. This was just a nice catalyst to push him further to the edge.

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:54 pm

Still waiting on SEED-Fansub's release of Episode 7. Can't wait to see it though. What groups are the rest of you getting it from?

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:38 pm

AonE-Kingdom

SEED-F is decent but I've noticed errors... not that most of you would care, but they're there. Also, Kingdom translates the credits, which is always nice. Keep's isn't that bad either, but they're slow.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:13 am

Okay.

NO RESPECT for the Parthenon/Colosseum.

And they're making Athrun a little too badass at this point. And hating on Cagalli.

And the character animation was kinda sloppy.

no name · Post by **no name** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:30 am

Okay, so I just watched ep 7.

So seriously, why the hell do I spooge every time I see Kira? He's only had a total screen time so far of about two minutes.. and he's said maybe about two lines... yet still I'm

In any case, I like the use of simplistic foreshadowing at the end of ep 7. I'm referring to Lacus saying theres a storm coming and Kira agreeing. Simple storytelling device, yes.. but it gets the point across. Another war (storm) acomin', and kira's gonna be in the middle of it!

Also, I like how Shinn says he feels sorry for Athrun. I think this is the start of Shinn's change. I could easily be wrong, but I think that Athrun will eventually become the person Shinn looks up to the most... which would make Athrun the perfect character to kill off in order to get Shinn doing some crazy crazy kira-style things.

As Killey said, this ep was more or less all about character development, and thats never a bad thing. I cant wait to see how everyone is changed by the end of this show.

Keep in mind I'm just spewing out my random theories and its 4:30am. I dont know why, but I tend to speculate a lot when it comes to destiny

Doom wrote:The only way I see the spotlight being fully handed to Destiny's leads is obviously to kill off most of the characters from the original, which would displease me greatly.

Yeah, I couldnt agree with you more on this one. Its not like Athrun is going to get any less "cool", so the only way Shinn can catch up is if Athrun kicks the bucket

.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:06 pm

I don't see how they could kill off any of the returning Seed characters. Just because the new Destiny characters arn't "cool" at this moment doesn't mean that they need to kill the original Seed characters off in order for the Destiny characters to take center stage. The same effect can easily be accomplished by means of uhm, I don't know...some solid character development. Considerng what the original characters of Seed have gone through I think it would pointless as well as meaningless to kill any of them off for the simple matter that the Destiny characters arn't "cool" enough to take center stage.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:22 pm

Where are you getting that from? The spotlight is STILL on Kira and Athrun right now, and as viewers, we've made a commitment to them and the other characters from the original. Sure you can try to fit them all in, but obviously it's an extremely tricky balancing act. If you keep the spotlight on the old characters, then it obviously hurts the presentation of the new characters. If you shaft the old characters, it will be unsatisfying because we've come to know these characters and root for them (or hate them). The first six episodes seemed to lean towards sticking to the old characters, which obviously raises skepticism of a proper transition being made. As of now, Shinn is starting to show some signs of life, but the others haven't really come into their own yet, except the Chairman. The new Earth pilots are just recycled versions of the Forbidden/Calamity/Raider pilots as of now. And are you saying that there's no way to effectively kill off an old character? Why not? Obviously all of the new characters are fair game (except for Shinn obviously), so what makes the old characters exempt?

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:26 am

I just don't think it's absolutely necessary to kill off the original Seed characters in order for the new characters to take center stage when there are alternative options that will achieve the same effect. Just because you can't forsee how it's possible to do this doesn't mean it's impossible for it to be accomplished.

We've only seen the new characters for 7 episodes out of a possible 50-52 episodes and you make it sound like that no matter what the creators do there is no way that the new characters can be the main focus of the story. There are still plot devices that are implied in the opening and plot devices that we won't know of until they happen. Within that time frame I'm sure that it's possible for the new characters to be able to distinguish themselves from the main characters of the first season and take center stage.

The new Earth Alliance pilots don't seem that important in the first place and could be easily throw away characters with the exception of Stellar. The others don't seem that interesting so I could care less whether they recieve development or not, which is basically my thoughts on the original Earth Alliance pilots who were just throw away characters from the moment they were introduced.

Doom wrote:And are you saying that there's no way to effectively kill off an old character? Why not? Obviously all of the new characters are fair game (except for Shinn obviously), so what makes the old characters exempt?

I don't think killing off the old characters will magically solve the problem of the new characters having a lacking in development. Killing off any of the old characters, in my mind, seems to defeat the purpose of what they fought for in the first series and the sacrifices that were made to keep those characters alive all so that a few new characters can start distinguishing themselves from the old Seed characters.

In the first place, most of us wanted to see a continuation in the Kira/Athrun storyline rather than have new characters. Even if they do kill off old characters like Kira and Athrun what will that accomplish? At the end of the series a good majority of the fans would probably say that Shin was never as good of a character that Kira and Athrun was. The only character that I would forsee dying would be Kira since he was originally planned to die in the first season.

Putting all of that aside does anybody else find it amusing that the pilot suit that Rey Za Burrel wears is the same one that Raww wears at the end of the series?

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:12 am

Finally saw episode 7. I was really hoping Kira would bust out Freedom and help out a bit. Oh well it was still interesting.
Episode 8 is going to be a big one. I can just hear those war trumpets now. It always feels a little off when the earth alliance is made out to be the bad guy though. I'm still waiting to see which side Athrun will side with.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:16 am

Both sides have pretty much been rotten ever since Alaska. It's like Orb vs. both of them.

Kakeru · Post by **Kakeru** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:17 am

Ah I see... I suppose if I had seen all of SEED by now it would make more sense. I suppose when the new war starts we'll see Orb as a third participant. Then again they may just take the same neutral stance they had in SEED. At least at the beginning I've only seen up to episode 30. Missed 2 episodes this last couple weeks unfortunately. Anything important happen in episodes 31 and 32 I should know about?

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:01 am

ROFL

YOU THE MAN ATHRUN

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:27 pm

Doom wrote:ROFL

YOU THE MAN ATHRUN

If you are referring to the scene that I think you are referring to then I have to agree with you.

Episode 8 is another character development episode but I think this was a very well done episode developing some of the lesser characters and some of our old favorites, as well. Though, I think there is a bit of a consistency issue between Seed and Destiny.
I seriously hope that Bartfield is using a prothestic arm otherwise I'm going to have to question on when he grew another arm. The discussion between Kira and Shin was nice and it'll make things all the more interesting when Shin realizes who Kira really is.

to the music in this episode.
The Piano version of Ignite was execellent.

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