I EAT THE SNAKES

[Garbo]

What, nobody gives a shit about MGS3?

I checked out the demo, and wow. It is absolutely gorgeous. The environments are so fucking realistic, I must've missed 3 alligators in one area until they started moving. I didn't even realise an alligator until it was almost right next to me

I'll tell you this right off the bat. There has never been more need for stealth in ANY metal gear game as there has been for this. MGS2, you could get away with being caught a few times, even in Extreme mode. Not so in this game. The Alerts etc last for such a goddamn long time, and the enemies are nowhere near as stupid as they were. Actually the programming was kinda weird for this, as it seems that if you're camo rating is fairly high, even if you're standing directly in front of the enemy, they still have to go through the whole IS SOMEONE THERE phase before they go into full alert mode. Of course this only takes a few seconds, and when they do, you can pretty much reset the game. You're never gonna get away properly.

I was hiding behind a tree with 65% camouflage rating and I had a hand out..a guard caught me from about 70-80 metres away. Not immediately caught, but they start coming towards you to check any abnormalities, but you can bet your ass that if you try to get away and you come into their view, they go into full alert mode immediately, even if they're really REALLY far away. This makes shooting them a lot harder, because you have to make sure you shoot them from really far away, and it's a lot harder to aim. On top of that, there's no soliton radar in this game as you may have known, so there is no "sight range" for the enemies as far as I can tell.

There was this other area where I made sure to shoot the two sentries which I could see. I used my Sonar radar to see if there were any enemies nearby (this only lasts for 3 seconds or so), and there were none. I honestly did everything I could, and made sure there was noone around. I took two steps out into the open and some fucker saw me. Full Alert mode, I managed to kill a few guys, get away, but that's basically it. You're in a fucked up position, from hiding, and you don't really know where the enemies are now. You may as well just die and continue.

Also, the suppressors in this game are temporary, so you can choose to equip them and unequip them when you want. When the suppressor loses its ability to suppress after a number of shots, you will still make noise.

The codec is a lot nice looking this time around (no more MGS rehash), although the Codec in the menu takes years to load.

I'm kinda worried that the gameplay may be a little too difficult, but on the plus side - the graphics are simply stunning. Nothing on the PS2 even comes close to how beautiful this looks.

[Redlimit]

Sounds exactly the kind of style I like, although I do like games quite a bit harder than most people do.

The magazine with the demo should be in my town before the weekend. Looking forward to checking it out.

[j0hn Ayanami]

I hope this game is hard as shit. I can't wait to go sneaking around and keep getting myself killed. Although, if this game is that hard.. maybe they are training killers! Maybe it's so difficult, when you actually beat the game your home is raided and you are taken into training at Foxhound...

.... or one can dream

[HKK]

There's nothing wrong with difficulty as long as it's not ANNOYINGLY hard.

I don't MGS to turn into no crappy Splinter Cell.

[Joei]

Mail me this plz

[Grey Fox]

How is it that I'm in Japan and you fuckers get to play this before me? Is there a Japanese demo out that I don't know about? I only have a Japanese PS2 here.

[Aiva]

Oh shit, yeah, this game's enemy AI is not stupid. I tried ducking back in the grass (with grass camo) after being noticed, but it didn't work; the enemy soldiers knew/remembered where I was, and kept shooting at me. Plus, they don't drop their guard for a very long time.

[Redlimit]

As far as I know it was a US Magazine that had the demo disc in it.

Not only that, but I'm sure you are aware that MGS3 comes out almost a full month earlier in North America than in Japan. Mid November for us, mid December for Japan.

[Killey]

Yeah, but chances are Japan will get a better version of the game than we do.
When does this issue of OPM reach stores? I'm aware that people who suscribed get the demo a few days earlier than the rest of us.

[Redlimit]

October 5th is the magazine news stand date. Subscribers have been getting it in the mail this week. Some stores have been getting the magazine already as well.

[dem]

Actually it'll probably be Europe that gets a better version of the game, rather than Japan.

[Killey]

Actually it'll probably be Europe that gets a better version of the game, rather than Japan.

Europe will get the BEST version of the game but Japan will be getting a better version of the North American release.

[Cid]

Hideo's own son and his friends hadn't heard of Metal Gear Solid, so that shows about how popular it is in Japan compared to here. It's no surprise the US is getting stuff earlier.

[WaWard]

Who gives a shit about what games japan get anyway. It's not like Grey Fox and Abe count.

[HKK]

Hideo's own son and his friends hadn't heard of Metal Gear Solid, so that shows about how popular it is in Japan compared to here. It's no surprise the US is getting stuff earlier.

Not really since Hideo's kid's friends are like 10 and MGS appeals to adults.

But it is indeed more popular here.

[Cid]

Hideo's own son and his friends hadn't heard of Metal Gear Solid, so that shows about how popular it is in Japan compared to here. It's no surprise the US is getting stuff earlier.

Not really since Hideo's kid's friends are like 10 and MGS appeals to adults.

But it is indeed more popular here.

The same thing can be said about GTA and how many ten year olds do you think have played that?

[HKK]

*shrug*

I've heard MGS is pretty popular in Japan just not as popular as in the states.. I saw some list of the most anticipated games in Japan about 2 months ago MGS3 was like number 2 on the list.

[Spruchy]

This doesnt sound good, MGS 1 and 2 had very few parts where you HAD to be stealthy, and I loved it for that.

Oh well ill try the demo, I loved Sons of Liberty.

[j0hn Ayanami]

Who gives a shit about what games japan get anyway. It's not like Grey Fox and Abe count.

I care because I import Also I understand!

[Garbo]

Shaun, I just got this off BT.

But yeah, I suppose the game can get annoyingly hard because the cautions and such don't go away for a very long time, which means you basically have to stand still and replenish your health. So once you get caught, you might as well die and continue because it's a lot faster that way, rather than gettnig yourself fucked in the ass trying to escape, only to waste 5 mins and get fucked in the ass again because now you have no idea where you are or what your surroundings are like.

If you guys didn't know, this game has stealth and stamina. You eat to regain your stamina, and the higher your stamina the faster your health recovers. When your stamina is high you also have better aiming and such, similar to the effect of sniping previously I believe.

And also, the demo is in Japanese voice acting, with English subs. I'm kinda annoyed at that I suppose, I really wanted to hear the English subs.

[Kokaku]

It's going to be a great game, but alas, it's not going to be my type of game.

[Aiva]

I'm kinda annoyed at that I suppose, I really wanted to hear the English subs.

You wanted to hear the English subs, eh?

the stamina factor is probably something else that will add realism, but not too much annoyance to the game. I like the camoflauge, survivial/food, and "cure" sections.

P.S., did you try the vomitting trick yet?

[Redlimit]

I'm hoping that food is not so easily come across in the final game. Every single thing you kill drops food in the demo. I was hoping you would have to get a 'clean kill' on something in order to eat it.

Like if you killed something with a grenade, it wouldn't leave food behind. Or if you blew a snake away with a shotgun, you don't get any food.

I hope thats how it is in the final.

[fire2ash]

Yeah, as long as the AI isn't out of your mind cheap (SF:AE HSF style) and is fairly intelligent I don't mind.

[Garbo]

I'm kinda annoyed at that I suppose, I really wanted to hear the English subs.

You wanted to hear the English subs, eh?

the stamina factor is probably something else that will add realism, but not too much annoyance to the game. I like the camoflauge, survivial/food, and "cure" sections.

P.S., did you try the vomitting trick yet?

You know what I mean

No, I was gonna, I made him eat like 5 things and it didn't work. And I didn't want to give him too much in case I actually need it :[

I actually just finished the demo just then (I was too tired to be bothered actually getting past that final stage) and that last little bit is quite annoying. I finally discovered the usefulness of what is quite possibly the best weapon in MGS3 - The Sniper Rifle. It's very loud, but if you're fast enough, you can take out 2 enemies who are relatively closeby without too much hassle. Like I mentioned before, they have to go into the whole WHAT WAS THAT phase before they go into full alert, so take out one guy, the other guy comes running, and you take him out while he slowly checks the other guy out. Even though there may be about 10 other soldiers around the area, they won't hear you if they aren't in the immediate vicinity. In fact, I even missed a shot that went flying past the guy's nose and he didn't even notice because he was too far away.

I got into alert at least 3 times in that final area, but I got lucky and found a good hiding spot where I sniped everyone to death while it was in Caution. By the time I finished that final bit I had killed all 10 soldiers who were around or something. I don't think I'm supposed to do that

[Magnus]

I'm such an idiot -- I brought this home today, and forgot to play it, and I killed time watching the debate, and playing KotOR and GGX2 for lack of something to do until I went to sleep. Now I'm too fucking tired to give it a serious shot, especially if it's as hardcore difficult in regards to the stealth quotient as most of you claim. At this hour, I'm usually fucking terrible at trying for precise gaming.

[HKK]

Magnus, you disappoint me.

[Damien]

I don't want it to be overly difficult.
I want to see the bee man

[j0hn Ayanami]

I want to explore the entire jungle and kill all of the soldiers in it Seriously, I plan to do this!

[WaWard]

I've gotten my hands on the demo (legally), and god damn it's hard. I really wish that the camera was a bit freer, especially when it comes to battling baddies (they're hard to see), or when it comes to try to see what's ahead. I kinda wished that there was a faster way to switch camos.

But otherwise, I'm having a blast with it. The newfound focus on steal is amazing, and the lack of radar is making this much more challenging. It's really freaking hard to get around without the radar in areas you've never seen.

The rope bridge part was awesome. I had soldiers cornering me right in the middle of it, and it swung, tossing 2 of em off boad, and then I kicked the rest and grappled to its side, and I was saved! :frank

I'm really starting to consider it as my full-price purchase. I absolutely love the bigger emphasis on stealth.

[Garbo]

I just sniped the fuckers from afar :]

[WaWard]

I was kinda stuck at the area where the Dr is. I couldn't do shit, I was always spotted. Then I said "I'll try again tommorrow morning" because I'm having a brain fart right now.

ProTip: When in moving sands, don't stop walking. I learned it the hard way, while I was admiring the gavials. {{

[Garbo]

lawl, I drowned there too

I also got stuck at the Sokolov part, and I tried it again the following morning. Basically I went into alert 3 times, I found a good hiding spot and I ended up killing every soldier in the area. You really should go for stealth tho :[

[WaWard]

Yeah but with the weapons they're providing us, I think killing everything is the easiest way around.

[Redlimit]

In the real game you will be dropped in with a knife, and one clip in a pistol.

Things will be much more interesting then.

[TO]

MGS2 was kinda crappy. It was really easy and the story was fucking lame as shit.

I'm guessing you actually play as snake this time so thats a plus, but im expecting the story to be as craptastic as ever before. It will be a good laugh

[HKK]

Yeah, so just because you didn't like the story and you thought it was easy (even though it had multiple difficulty modes), it's a crappy game even though it basically revolutionized the stealth genre once again with extremely well made gameplay!

[Garbo]

Hay TO you should play Extreme mode.

[TO]

Yeah, so just because you didn't like the story and you thought it was easy (even though it had multiple difficulty modes), it's a crappy game even though it basically revolutionized the stealth genre once again with extremely well made gameplay!

extreme mode was pretty challenging but its more of a bonus than anything, just like "all madden" mode and shit like that.

I dont know about "revolutionizing the stealth genre". sounds like homo fanboy talk to me. i never said anything about the gameplay but while we're on the subject, it was good and intuitive, but not the greatest thing in the world like people make it out to be. the enemy AI, while far more advanced compared to its predecessor, was still pretty stupid and you could poke holes in the AI routines within like 2 mins of playing the game.

as far as straight up stealth simulators go, splinter cell gets the nod for me. I like the control scheme of SS, the atmosphere, the graphics, and the fact that the story doesnt take place in a quirky japanese alternate universe where terrorists are made up of vampires and fat, roller blade wearing psychos, among others.

[attila the hun]

With the difficulty it will be the same as the other two, as long a you know how to move around and not get heard and all ways carry the bodies away, it will be easy to beat.. well maybe not easy, but easier then just trying to kill every thing around.

[Garbo]

If you've been paying any attention at all, the game is nowhere near as easy as the other 2

[attila the hun]

Most shooting and ops games are the same, as long as you don't make a habit of making noise and getting seen it is easy, granted it is harder then the first 2 but not by much

[TheStrife]

If you've been paying any attention at all, the game is nowhere near as easy as the other 2

But Garbo, that would actually require he READ the rest of the thread! GASP!

[Garbo]

Most shooting and ops games are the same, as long as you don't make a habit of making noise and getting seen it is easy, granted it is harder then the first 2 but not by much

You're a retard.

[attila the hun]

thats because i am one.

[TheStrife]

Now playing: Black Eyed Peas - Let's Get Retarded.mp3

[attila the hun]

i was just pointing out the fact that as long as you are carefull, about who you shoot and when you shoot them, and as well as sneeking around and trying not to be seen, the game could be easy.
Im not saying that it is easier because it's not. but like i said as long as you take your time dont rush in, it will make it easier to beat the game.

[Garbo]

i was just pointing out the fact that as long as you are carefull, about who you shoot and when you shoot them, and as well as sneeking around and trying not to be seen, the game could be easy.
Im not saying that it is easier because it's not. but like i said as long as you take your time dont rush in, it will make it easier to beat the game.

Then you're simply pointing out the obvious, what makes this game mroe difficult is that is much more likely that YOU WILL BE SEEN, and the consequences are far greater than in the previous games.

Maybe you should read the thread instead of stating what people already know.

[attila the hun]

what makes this game mroe difficult is that is much more likely that YOU WILL BE SEEN, and the consequences are far greater than in the previous games.
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NO shit sherlock.

[TO]

hey guys someone told me that if you play thru games without dying or making mistakes, shooting all enemies with 100% accuracy and make all the timed jumps neccessary in whatever alotted time limits there may be, while saving frequently and stopping every now and then to consult a strategy guide, games have very low difficulty.