Persona 5

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sun May 07, 2017 4:27 pm

Neither Persona 3 nor Persona 5 is a visual novel. They both have signficant story sections with some similarities to visual novels, but they both also have far too much RPG elements and gameplay to be accurately classified as such.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sun May 07, 2017 6:18 pm

Exactly.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun May 07, 2017 6:39 pm

Okay, that's fair and I'm sorry for being so critical.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri May 26, 2017 8:00 am

So, a month later and...this game has made me quit rpgs. I don't have the time nor the willpower to go through more bloated rpgs. I just don't care about story-based games anymore (unless they're Shenmue of course). Sucks that it took Persona 5 to realize that I would rather be actually playing a game than watching some long anime cutscene with zero input for two hours in my 30's. Oh well, all things come to an end. The RPG love fest is over. I'll still play a new FF or DQ when they come out though because those are the only two I still remotely enjoy and they're infrequent enough that I won't burn myself out.

Looking forward to Tekken 7 a lot. Looks hype and the competitive scene looks raw. Playing games you actually like is much better.

If your game has story as the focus (and you're not Shenmue) it's a pass from now on. I'll always cherish the memories though.

Thanks Persona 5!

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Fri May 26, 2017 11:13 am

Yeah go play ff15 its the epitome of rpgs

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri May 26, 2017 12:30 pm

How do you know you'll care about Shenmue (3)? IMO, the original Shenmue is the epitome of a story that goes nowhere and 2 was only marginally better. When was the last time you played Shenmue? More recently than the last Persona game you enjoyed?

And aren't Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games more frequent than Personas?

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 12:55 pm

Yeah, but both are lighter on lengthy story sequences.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri May 26, 2017 2:08 pm

And also core gameplay.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 2:29 pm

No argument here. I played through Persona 5 in the first three weeks after release sinking well north of 100 hours into it. Meanwhile, I started FFXV in late December and haven't picked it up again since beating Titan. My bias is not in favor of FF/DQ.

RDM · Post by **RDM** » Fri May 26, 2017 2:42 pm

Xenosaga! Two hours of cut scenes, and a massive ingame encyclopedia that you need to read to have any idea what's going on!

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Xenosaga is one of the worst games that I've almost played to completion. I think it's worse than FFXII.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri May 26, 2017 4:53 pm

Damien wrote:How do you know you'll care about Shenmue (3)? IMO, the original Shenmue is the epitome of a story that goes nowhere and 2 was only marginally better. When was the last time you played Shenmue? More recently than the last Persona game you enjoyed?

And aren't Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games more frequent than Personas?

I play Shenmue I and II at least once a year and have done this for like 11 years. They are far and beyond my favorite games. Also, despite being story oriented, Shenmue games offer very little guidance, do not hold your hand, have very few cutscenes.

also II is not just marginally better. It's amazing.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri May 26, 2017 5:11 pm

How are FF and DQ more frequent than Persona?

Persona 4 release - 2008
DQ9 release - 2010
FF13 release - 2010

Persona 5 release - 2017
DQ11 release - 2017
FF15 release - 2016

They're at similar rates. If you mean side games, Persona had Persona Q and Dancing and two fighting games.

If you mean re-releases, sure. But I'm not talking about re-releases. Given SE are just now hiring for FF7 remake I'm not expecting to play the next FF until 2025 minimum.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 5:22 pm

You skipped DQ10 and FF14, which, to be fair, I also would have done. Also, there's still a 2 year difference there. Plus, it might make more sense to judge over the length of the series rather than just the most recent interval. Even discounting both FF11 and FF14, FF has had 7 entries in the time Persona took to get 5. It does seem unreasonable to say DQ comes more frequently though.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri May 26, 2017 5:32 pm

FF's rate has slowed down so much that it makes no sense to hold to them to that old standard. So has DQ. Either way, 6 between XIII and XV is pretty fucking infrequent!

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 6:05 pm

True, but it's also too little data to be sure they won't speed up again. In Persona's case, I expect they will. For FF I'm not sure.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri May 26, 2017 6:34 pm

Persona 5 was Atlus' best selling game and put a niche series as the number 2 best selling game of the month in North fucking America. They're going to milk it for all its worth. Persona will speed up. FF and DQ will have a steady rate of one game per 5 years.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 9:21 pm

I'm not sure if Persona was a niche series as of Persona 4, but Persona 5 definitely gave it a huge boost. I still don't expect Persona 6 to follow Persona 5 as closely as Persona 4 followed Persona 3, but I do expect it to come within 3-4 years.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri May 26, 2017 11:01 pm

Persona 4 was the definition of niche.

Sales as of 2009.

North America
Persona 4 (PS2) – 110,000 (150,000 expected)

Japan
Persona 4 (PS2) – 300,000 (180,000 expected)

By comparison, Persona 5 has sold 1.5 million. Persona 5 cracked the series into mainstream. Until then Persona and by extension, Megaten, were games a select number of rpg nerds played. Atlus only expected 150k units of P4 to be sold in NA. For the record, and to put numbers into perspective, the average successful jrpg in North America tops out at 200k units and rarely, if ever, breaks out of that pool. Only a select few do, and they're the big boys and girls aka FF, Pokemon, KH. It's possible Persona 4 got sales over its lifetime and cracked into 200k. I don't know and I'm not interested on researching much but the data is probably out there. The point is, Atlus still expected a lifetime sale far below the niche jrpg sales ceiling of 200k in North America for Persona 4. Ergo, Persona 4 was niche.

It's partly why the success of recent formerly niche jrpgs is so shocking. If you told me Persona 5 sold 1.5 million or that Nier's sequel was selling millions of units or that Fire Emblem became mainstream five years ago I would have laughed into my grave.

We basically have an environment where Suikoden has a chance of success if Konami played their cards right. It's beyond shocking.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri May 26, 2017 11:41 pm

I should have been more specific. As of Persona 4 Golden, I don't think Persona was niche anymore. Persona 5 still sold considerably more, but the sales for Golden were more than double the expected for Persona 4 original. Whether PS2 version of Persona 4 cracked the 200k mark or not, Golden did significantly. To be fair though, anticipation over Persona 5 may have been responsible for a decent proportion of Golden sales.

The thing keeping Suikoden from success is Konami now. If they wanted to, they could be successful with it, but they'd rather do pachinko.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Sat May 27, 2017 1:07 am

I assume pachinko means they get a much nicer profit margin, for less work.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:02 am

I'm laying P5 slowly as hell. Just finished the 3rd palace. May still be playing when P6 comes out

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:01 pm

What is Persona 5?

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:45 am

Well I finally played through this game.

It's my new favorite Persona game.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri May 03, 2019 7:49 am

Now I've finished with Dragon Quest XI, do I pick up Persona 5 again? I can't even remember where I am in it, so I'm worried I'd struggle

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri May 03, 2019 11:11 am

It’s kinda shit though.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri May 03, 2019 12:07 pm

Last Persona to post wins.

Cid · Post by **Cid** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:51 pm

Persona 4 Golden just got released on PC. Never played a Persona game before so this should be interesting. P4 is regarded as one of the better ones isn't it?

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:45 pm

Depends on who you ask (don't even bother with Ward), but generally anything after Persona 2 is "one of the better ones" from my perspective. Not counting spinoffs like Persona Q, etc. However, I never finished Golden and have heard from some that the extra length kind of makes it drag toward the end.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:32 pm

Persona 5 is my favourite « loaning my copy of Xenogears to my high school friend and never getting it back » simulator

The bar isn’t very high

Cid · Post by **Cid** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:12 am

So far I'm 2 1/2 hours into the game and I've actually controlled my character for maybe 10 minutes.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:35 pm

This is my “Xenogears disc 2” impression of Persona from what I’ve heard.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:34 pm

Cid wrote:So far I'm 2 1/2 hours into the game and I've actually controlled my character for maybe 10 minutes.

Yes, Persona 4 and 5 both have long intros. Persona 4 possibly longer than 5 even. It doesn't remain like that throughout the game but it's a bit of a slog to get through.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:25 am

Botw has a long intro but at least it makes you do more than press a button

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:52 am

BotW's intro is bad. I thought I was gonna hate the game until after I got off that God forsaken plateau.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:36 pm

LOLbez

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:54 pm

Trollbez

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:57 pm

Ward's the one bringing up BotW to trash Persona in a Persona thread and somehow I'm the troll?

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:16 pm

Stop it trollbez

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:42 pm

The thread I'm actually trolling is the AC thread but no one cares there or maybe my trolling is just so spot on that no one noticed.

Cid · Post by **Cid** » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:15 pm

Finally got to where the game lets me do what I want but the motion blur is driving me insane so I'm waiting for this dude to finish his patch that removes it before I continue.

Cid · Post by **Cid** » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:26 pm

Fixed the motion blur and beat what I assume is the first real boss. I like how the boss designs are metaphors for whatever their psychological problem is. Balancing all your activities during the week can be pretty tricky as well.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:20 pm

I quite unbelievably finally finished Persona 5! Got PS trophies from almost every year from 2G17 to 2G23!

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:03 pm

It took you about two months to finish TotK as a comparison

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:38 pm

Played and finished FFXVI in the middle of that

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:04 pm

Persona 5G?? More like Persona 2G...

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:14 pm

Tears of the Kingdom? More like Tears of the Player.

Cid · Post by **Cid** » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:53 pm

I need to finish P5 as well. I left off right after you pick up Haru and I disliked her character and that whole section so much I just lost interest. The game up to that point was a great though.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:08 am

Haru is a bit of a forgettable character but not one of the reasons I took year+ breaks in my single playthrough. It was normally frustration with the palaces or general exhaustion. Even the ending dragged on more than it should have. Royal probably improves lots but I’m not sure I ever want to potentially invest another half decade in Persona 5

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 1:08 pm

Haru is kind of bland and definitely the worst party member, but I don't really see her as bad enough to turn me away from the game. I guess the area in which she's introduced isn't the best, but the palace right after that is the best one.