Ghost in the Shell: Innocence

Post by **Grey Fox** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:02 pm

http://thehawks.org/hawks/bt/Ghost.In.T ... ks.torrent

Ok so it's out. Lets discuss/find subtitles asap. I've submitted a subtitle request for this at subs.2ya.com which is a great site for subs.

I've already seen the movie raw like months ago in theaters and it was amazing, so I'm looking forward to seeing it with subs so I know wtf is going on while the pretty pictures move.

Discuss.

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:09 pm

Well you could always use the subs from the cam-rip it and sub it yourself :D

Post by **Grey Fox** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:20 pm

Garbo wrote:Well you could always use the subs from the cam-rip it and sub it yourself

I was going to do that but I can't find the subs from the cam, know where I can download them?

Post by **Grey Fox** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:24 pm

Actually according to the description at SuprNova this torrent IS subbed... I hope so.

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:09 pm

I'll be seeing the film hopefully later this week when it gets released in NYC (which I hoepe it will).

Post by **Grey Fox** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:13 pm

I'm sure it'll get a showing in Vancouver, as there's a very large anime following there and pretty much all the anime theatrical releases have had limited runs. I'm not in Vancouver though, so...

I'm looking forward to seeing the new Appleseed movie too. I didn't get to see it in theaters because I was broke at the time. Not sure when the DVD is coming out.

thirdchildren · Post by **thirdchildren** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:15 pm

Shit, I really want to see this in a Theatre, but seeing as I live in the sticks I'll have to travel to be able to see it, cos Ireland is crap. Guess I'll have to live with the torrents.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:37 pm

The Hawks do a lot of manga translation, I guess they did some movie stuff too...

Post by **Grey Fox** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:40 pm

That's good because now I can totally watch this tomorrow after work and enjoy.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:47 pm

Waiting for this to go on my favorite XDCC bot...

kairo · Post by **kairo** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:06 pm

If Motoko isn't in it, i'm gonna shoot the basset hound.

Post by **Grey Fox** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 6:16 pm

kairo wrote:If Motoko isn't in it, i'm gonna shoot the basset hound.

Spoiler:

She's in it.

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:33 pm

Where is this XDCC bot :O?

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:35 pm

Just BT this stuff guys~

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:36 pm

I guess you aren't aware of how painfully slow the BT is.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:44 pm

Doom wrote:I guess you aren't aware of how painfully slow the BT is.

What, just one seed or something and everyone else is leeching? I hate crap like that.

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:50 pm

no thats not it
could be 2000 seeds and bt is still 30kbs average for me
a good xdcc is 500kbs-1mbs

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:52 pm

Really Gray? What BT client are you using? That's just really crazy..

The problem I found with an XDCC is the queues. If I wasn't actually distroing for the fansub group, it would tend to be difficult to get in line at some of the other XDCC bots. So generally I helped out at a lot of them

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:37 am

okay these visuals are unbelievable

even from what little i know, though, it seems like Killey's fears are justified... i don't think hawks has a fucking clue what's going on.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:46 am

Doom wrote:okay these visuals are unbelievable

even from what little i know, though, it seems like Killey's fears are justified... i don't think hawks has a fucking clue what's going on.

Crazy. Yeah, the visuals are awesome.

I assumed that Hawks were in over their heads with this one.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:55 am

You watched it already?

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:15 am

Doom wrote:You watched it already?

I watched the Raw silly.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:21 am

Oh, nice impressions.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:25 am

Doom wrote:Oh, nice impressions.

I didn't want to say it, but I actually didn't really care for this one.. so I figured everyone would be like OHHHH JOHN JUST HATES EVERYTHING EVERYONE ELSE LIKES

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:27 am

It's not like anyone else has seen it (except Shaun)...

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:28 am

FINE. I'll write something up after I get done watching Maria ep7, going to the bathroom, and finishing my Taco Bell (after which I will probably have to go to the bathroom again)

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:30 am

I'm just being a bitch.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:39 am

Haha, I was just invited to see the sub of this when it comes out in the states on the 24th. Looks like you have to wait for your review until then!

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:40 am

It comes out Friday though...

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:48 am

GOD DAMN IT DOOM. It doesn't come out anywhere in Maryland until the 24th apparently, and that's in Greenbelt.

Because I will have an extra seat in my car, do you wanna come? I'll buy the ticket, pick you up, even give you flowers!!

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:49 am

It seems like an offer he can't refuse~~!!!

'cept you need a supple azn female with which to lure him out

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:51 am

Vibing_V wrote:It seems like an offer he can't refuse~~!!!

'cept you need a supple azn female with which to lure him out

I've got plently of those too

You think my game stops just because I'm in Baltimore! NO MA'AM!

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:53 am

mang, wtf do you want with me

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:54 am

Doom wrote:mang, wtf do you want with me

I want a friend

TheDarkOne · Post by **TheDarkOne** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:00 am

me too .....

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:35 am

Okay, just finished it. Horrible translation aside, I thought the movie worked very well within itself. It's abysmally cold, dark, and detached from the viewer's perspective, but it's clear that that's the way it was meant to be. That's the biggest problem, though; I can't see any normal viewer being much involved in the movie. It does too good of a job of imparting its coldness onto you. The dialogue here is at least twice as thick as that in the original, which is likely to turn off even more people. And there's barely any action. And Oshii's message hasn't seemed to change much; he's just gotten to piling several additional layers of historical/literary references and convoluted speech on top of it. I guess the best way to describe Innocence would be that it is even more "hardcore" than the first one.

Make no mistake, however. It deserves to be seen for the visuals alone. It's easy to say that they are astounding in a way such that I can easily claim that I have never seen animation like this. The score has some tunes that are heavily reminiscent of the original movie, and as a whole fits the piece quite well.

Post by **Grey Fox** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:48 am

The Hawks sub is fucking shit. The subtites were incorrect in so many places, a couple scenes they didn't even bother to sub likely because they didn't understand it, the timing on the subs was horrible, and they were too fast and long to read many times.

That said, it was nice to finally see the movie with subs and I enjoyed it much more knowing what was going on, for the most part. Like doom said the dialouge is super thick and there's a few too many litterary quotes. The plot is quite confusing and takes a lot to tie together in my mind. I think it will take several viewings before I really understand how everything ties together. The animation is gorgeous of course, and anyone who is an anime fan must see this film for that alone. It's just beautiful.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:30 am

Okay, after grappling with myself for a bit, I've come to the conclusion that I do like it. I like it a lot. Never mind the emotional detachment; Innocence is just too lusciously meticulous, and as a fan of such things, I can't help but like it.

mz · Post by mz » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:12 am

I think I may go out this weekend and watch it in theaters. The Beachwood Theater here is actually playing it, so it's hard for me to pass on something that seems to be a limited release.

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:36 am

I've got word of a showing which might be in my area. I'm going to have to look it up and hunt down a group of friends to take with.

Leftover · Post by **Leftover** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:58 am

Yay, it's playing right over on 42nd!

Awesome, I'll see it soon.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:29 am

I can't belive you people would actually download the Hawks version of the movie since you should all remember the horrible job they did on Spirited Away. I would download the raw but I don't have that kind of harddrive plus I couldn't burn it off if I wanted to so I'll patiently wait for the North American DVD release.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:38 am

No, I don't, since I wasn't around to watch that then. And frankly I wouldn't care. 1) I'll definitely be watching this again when it comes out on DVD, and 2) it's nearly impossible for me to see it in theaters anyway. So no, I don't give a shit. It's not my problem if you can't simply dismiss the bad subs and watch the movie, for the most part, as if it were already a raw.

Edit: even still, I'm surprised that you wouldn't make room on your hard drive to download the raw in these circumstances.

Post by **Grey Fox** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:40 am

Doom wrote:No, I don't, since I wasn't around to watch that then. And frankly I wouldn't care. 1) I'll definitely be watching this again when it comes out on DVD, and 2) it's near impossible for me to see it in theaters anyway. So no, I don't give a shit.

Seta · Post by **Seta** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:24 am

Saw it at the theaters today. Living in a city has its advantages. :E Movie was pretty good even though it seemed very unfriendly to the normal viewer.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 7:21 am

Doom wrote:No, I don't, since I wasn't around to watch that then. And frankly I wouldn't care. 1) I'll definitely be watching this again when it comes out on DVD, and 2) it's nearly impossible for me to see it in theaters anyway. So no, I don't give a shit. It's not my problem if you can't simply dismiss the bad subs and watch the movie, for the most part, as if it were already a raw.

Edit: even still, I'm surprised that you wouldn't make room on your hard drive to download the raw in these circumstances.

I know some of the people here were around when the Hawks subbed Spirited Away and I remember how a lot of people were bitching about them too. I wouldn't mind seeing this movie in the theatres but no theatre over here would ever carry the movie and even if they did I doubt that they would have it subbed so I wouldn't even bother watching it in the theatres in the first place. If I wanted to see the movie I would have downloaded the raw but as I said I don't have that kind of harddrive at the moment so I'll wait patiently for the DVD release.

I need all my harddrive to keep up with the raws of the current ongoing anime series so I don't have any spare harddrive for something that is close to a gig.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sat Sep 18, 2004 10:45 am

So is this movie pretentious too?

mz · Post by mz » Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:44 pm

Joei wrote:So is this movie pretentious too?

I hope so!

Seta · Post by **Seta** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:41 am

Joei wrote:So is this movie pretentious too?

Yea

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:50 am

It is, but like I said I liked the first one (I still like SAC over both movies overall though).

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