2G20 - 1: Coronavirus

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:01 pm

You should probably be self isolating on SG at this point, buddy

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:39 pm

My mother-in-law tested positive the day after she got the J&J vaccine. She was lucky in a way because she got better very fast. Only had mild symptoms for, like, 3 days.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:53 pm

Fei Ayanami wrote:You should probably be self isolating on SG at this point, buddy

I’m playing by the rules our leaders set. Which is no isolation.

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:05 am

Mitsurugi CP wrote:My mother-in-law tested positive the day after she got the J&J vaccine. She was lucky in a way because she got better very fast. Only had mild symptoms for, like, 3 days.

Oof. Glad she's doing well. This happened to a friend of mine back several years ago with the Swine Flu -- she must've been exposed before she had the vaccine and got sick right afterwards.

Apparently BC is the biggest number of P1 cases outside of Brazil. GJ.
And people know about this because of the Canucks. If they are having so much spread despite the careful NHL protocols, I certainly hope the majority of the population can look and take away a lesson here...

A couple of restaurants refused to close per the health order (no indoor dining for 3 weeks, patios still okay (which is FUNNY b/c many of the patios are ENCLOSED SPACES that don't follow the guidance)) and finally after a few days had their business licenses revoked..... temporarily, until the 3-week order ends. How about taking it away forever?

We've used cloth masks this past year and we don't really go anywhere except Safeway/London Drugs, but with the rise of P1 and it's ridiculous transmissability (approx 2.5x vanilla covid) I'm thinking of getting some proper KN95's to use over the home stretch.

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:58 am

Sorry Ontarians.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:07 am

That’s probably just Toronto being difficult again

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:25 am

I'm thinking of getting some proper masks (we use cloth reusable ones) in light of the P1 variant and it being the home stretch now but keep seeing people say that they're useless if they don't seal correctly. Is that fully true? I get the message, but the cloth reusable masks don't exactly seal either and have loads of gaps. Would N95 variants be better in both cases?

It's not like I can go fit test things, would just have to buy some and hope for the best.

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:52 am

Masking isn't so much about filtering as dispersing/reducing air movement and droplet capture. Of course most cloth material isn't going to be able to filter virus particles, but filters can still capture particles smaller than the pore size of the filter medium, because filters can also capture particles by impaction, interception, diffusion, and electrical charge.

The reusable cloth masks you have now are fine. At work, I have to use hospital supplied masks that are just regular surgical masks that have the gaps that form at the sides of my face. If you use masks that aren't properly fit-tested, you may well be using something that's no more effective than the masks you're already using because they'll have gaps, too. A properly fitted N95 has no gaps around the circumference of the mask edge.

Despite that, and working on a floor with actively infectious COVID patients since April, we have only had 2 outbreaks that were both due to a failure to follow protocols about wearing masks and distancing when unmasked (i.e. for meal breaks).

I've never tested positive for COVID, and I've been working on COVID floors and vaccinating the general public at mass vaccination sites in my state with only those blue disposable masks and polymer goggles. Continuing the recommended practices of masking up, keeping safe distances, and routine handwashing work well when people do it.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:02 pm

London seems to have far less mask compliance than Manchester. Also, there are tourists all over the place. Families with tagged suitcases etc. Wtf.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:44 pm

Seems like a hellhole

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:18 am

Now come to London, FordNation

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:58 am

It’s mainly younger people (25 and under) ignoring the mask and gathering rules in London, from what I saw yesterday. Masks are mandatory on trains but I saw loads of people without one and some just having them dangling off their ears the entire time.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:39 am

“Outdoor hospitality and non essential retail” open today. Saw a betting shop swarming with old men. Theme parks open today too... Once again you can queue and go on a roller coaster with hundreds of people before you’re allowed into the house of a friend of family member.
Under 50’s without underlying health conditions have still not been called for a vaccine though.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:43 am

Open for business!

I do see the argument about familiar settings being worse than public settings though but really. It’s all a mess.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:06 pm

Somebody at work went to the gym at 6am today. Imagine being that desperate work out in room full of sweaty strangers.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:15 pm

I went to pick up bagels and saw my first anti masker being turned around this morning.

“It’s in my car bro” was his protest. What a moron.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:52 pm

You just need to own a mask, you don't need to wear it.
I've never seen any no-masker being refused service or questioned.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:54 pm

I don’t think it would’ve happened if people didn’t stop going in the store. We were just waiting outside for him to leave.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:16 pm

Damien wrote:Somebody at work went to the gym at 6am today. Imagine being that desperate work out in room full of sweaty strangers.

A single gym in Quebec City has recently been linked to hundreds of covid cases

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:45 pm

Libarté!

To fuck everyone over.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:01 pm

Can’t fucking believe that pubs opened at midnight. Safe and responsible from the off.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:21 pm

Really pleased this Hot Topic I came up with has been so popular!

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:03 pm

u afraid?

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:04 pm

Fei Ayanami wrote:
Damien wrote:Somebody at work went to the gym at 6am today. Imagine being that desperate work out in room full of sweaty strangers.
A single gym in Quebec City has recently been linked to hundreds of covid cases

I dearly miss the gym, but my personal safety trumps all else.

Speaking of, I should really pause/cancel that membership.... >.>

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:39 pm

Damien wrote:u afraid?

Yes!

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:27 pm

I mean, epidemiologists and public health experts have been saying since before this became a real pandemic that it was going to run for at least 18 months. Human behavior certainly seems to have stretched that out, but we've got until September to really wonder when this will end.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:06 am

So called « experts » what do they know!

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:59 pm

Yeah, but they were also suggesting it might take that long to have vaccines early on.

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:12 pm

At this point I'm mostly curious about 2 things:

1. how many people will refuse to get the vaccine, and how will that affect the trajectory of the virus/overall herd immunity?
2. will it become like another flu that mutates yearly and we have anuual shots for?

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:51 pm

My very amateur wishy washy idea of what is likely is that we all get vaccinated or contract the illness or whatever, it’s no longer a “novel” coronavirus (even in mutated form), and yeah, it’s probably part of the seasonal flu shot and also when we do get it it’s probably not as intense as it has tended to be so far.

Time for Mitsurugi to disillusion me!

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:36 pm

My very expert idea of what is likely to transpire is that humanity is doomed.

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:27 am

Vibing_V wrote:At this point I'm mostly curious about 2 things:

1. how many people will refuse to get the vaccine, and how will that affect the trajectory of the virus/overall herd immunity?
2. will it become like another flu that mutates yearly and we have anuual shots for?

1. It remains to be seen. If enough refuse, we may never get there. But hopefully with greater distance from orange dishing antivaxxers and once it's cleared for, say, children 6 months and older (for which clinical trials are currently being done) there will be a lot more buy in.

2. Probably yes. The nice thing about these new vaccines is they can be modified and produced faster than flu shots once more long-term infrastructure is in place. At least, compared to the technology we use to make flu shots in the US.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:11 am

Are u going to hoard them next time tho and shame other countries for not doing an as good of a job with vaccines as you are?

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:59 pm

We need all the vaccines because we're the worst at following precautions. We're basically a nation of whiny, self-absorbed toddlers.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:55 am

Shit is hitting the fan here. It sux.

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:35 am

Canadians were okay-ish until this year, when everyone seemed to collectively give up and decide it was time to stop doing things to reduce transmission.

Our numbers in BC are steady-ish, still increasing slightly. We're 2+ weeks into "circuit breaker" restrictions, and I keep wondering if this means the restrictions are working or if people don't a fuck, and how much worse/better the numbers would be on either side. Likely somewhere in between...

On the plus side, we're FINALLY putting up teachers (and firefighters, police) for vaccines. FINALLY. It's about goddamn time.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:10 am

I’m still not due my first dose until late May/early June.
People going back to their shop and restaurant jobs this week are mostly the younger generations who aren’t vaccinated.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:13 pm

They’re banding camping. That aught to do it.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:56 pm

Oh no is that gonna happen here too I’m supposed to go to a Sépaq cabin next month

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:16 pm

Idk all I know is they’re predicting 18G daily cases by end of may and the province is taking no accountability over it

It’s a hot mess!

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:46 pm

QC: curfews
ON: stay at home orders
MB: literally block off non-essential items in stores

BC: well, people are partying at Whistler and you're not supposed to go gather in groups outside, even though we told you you could. We're just gonna keep telling you to "be kind, be calm, do more" and pretend that covid doesn't spread in schools.

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:21 pm

New Hampshire's governor didn't renew the mask mandate despite having higher hospitalization and infection rates than in November.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:07 am

Vibing_V wrote:QC: curfews
ON: stay at home orders
MB: literally block off non-essential items in stores

BC: well, people are partying at Whistler and you're not supposed to go gather in groups outside, even though we told you you could. We're just gonna keep telling you to "be kind, be calm, do more" and pretend that covid doesn't spread in schools.

I honestly cannot express how fucked up yesterday was in Ontario.

#1 the only measure that miight do something is restricting interprovincial travel and *some* workplace inspection. But at this point I don’t trust them on the latter.
#2 they want to police our way out of this by giving cops the right to stop anyone when they aren’t home because they aren’t home. This is such an overreach that most police forces say they won’t do this
#3 still no fucking paid sick leave for all during a ducking pandemic

#4 packing 30 kids in a school is safe but at a playground it isn’t
#5 oh and Doug ford decided we were supposed to get 300,000 vaccines a day all of a sudden which is a lie
#6 no wfh mandate
#7 essential workers are essential and still get fucked and not treated as essential. The work over the people.
#8 here’s a nice parallel with BC: well actually it’s ontarian’s fault that we’re here even if most big outbreaks are in workplaces and we’re not doing anything about it

I don’t even fucking know anymore. This province is losing the plot

Complete farce of a leadership. People will remember April 16 2021 in this province

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:09 pm

I don’t trust enough people to remember any of this

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:49 pm

WaWard wrote: #2 they want to police our way out of this by giving cops the right to stop anyone when they aren’t home because they aren’t home. This is such an overreach that most police forces say they won’t do this

That means they won't do it, except for racisms.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:58 pm

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:58 pm

24 hours later

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:02 pm

Did they do racisms already?

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:13 pm

Probably, but my post was simply because I noticed it was 24 hours from the last post

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:37 pm

They still have the right to do random checks so you can count on it being used.

Even if politically speaking it was a crushing defeat for Doug Ford so at least I’m enjoying that part.