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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:26 pm† †Post subject: icon_note Kombucha - yes a thread thatís on topic Reply with quote Back to top

Hello friends.

Any kombucha fans here? Kombucha is an ancient Chinese drink thatís resurfaced lately. I started drinking it to avoid pop, due to its fizz and less than half the calories, but Iím staying for the probiotics.

Kombucha is a raw drink made from fermented tea. The fermentation comes from a bacterial mushroom, the SCOBY which processes some of the sugar and tea and turns it into a lightly sour, fizzy tea.


Iím currently brewing my own kombucha. I will post updates. The tea has been brewed and sweetened, and has now started fermenting in my pantry. It will remain here for 8-14 days, at which point Iíll have to take it out for the second fermentation.
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Also Doom: thereís plenty more tea topics to talk about! Check!
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Probiotics - actually bad. That's my controversial spin. At any rate, any time I've taken probiotics they had opposite of intended effect.

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I like the stuff. It's yummy and suits my ageing taste-buds by not being cloyingly sweet.

Funny with it being an ancient Chinese drink, I've never seen Chinese people drinking it before I first saw it popping up at whole foods.
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I have somehow managed to not yet try kombucha despite living in yogi yupster central here (or at least near it). Probably due to the price tag, and hearing very controversial opinions on actually liking the taste of it.

I'm not too sure on probiotics either (to be fair, I have a pharmacist friend who tells me there are only certain ones that are worth using, so that could be it) but haven't had any ill effects from consuming the ones that come in food or drink form (like kefir).

Fermented foods are supposed to be good as well, for reasons I can't quite remember.


Any recommendations on the tastiest store-bought kombucha to try? And did you name your scoby?
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Probiotics have been beneficial to my bowel health.
Probably not a single one helped, but I kept some data and noticed subjective improvements between consuming them and not consuming them.

Their ridiculous prices is why I started brewing today. Well that and I like microbiologing my food.
I named my Scoby ďScoby DooĒ.


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eightman wrote:
I like the stuff. It's yummy and suits my ageing taste-buds by not being cloyingly sweet.

Funny with it being an ancient Chinese drink, I've never seen Chinese people drinking it before I first saw it popping up at whole foods.


Lol. Indeed. Who knows what hipster dug this out of the nether.
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I often find that probiotics can exacerbate IBS symptoms.
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I tried kombucha one time, it tasted like vinegar. So, slightly more kombucha for everyone else.

Vibing_V wrote:
I'm not too sure on probiotics either (to be fair, I have a pharmacist friend who tells me there are only certain ones that are worth using, so that could be it) but haven't had any ill effects from consuming the ones that come in food or drink form (like kefir).


Only some might be worth using, and only for certain indications. I don't want to go into really great detail, but the data for a lot of it is either not very strong, or anecdotal. A lot of the claims you see out there are marketing by whoever is making a particular food item or supplement, and they're vague both by design and because, in the US, they legally have to be (it's why Cheerios can't say "may lower cholesterol". It can get away with something like "may improve heart health", though).

99% of the time, they're harmless, so whenever patients ask me about them, my standard answer is, "You can if you want."
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:22 am† †Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

I donít care much about whatever health benefits someone claims it has, but I do enjoy kombucha in general.
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Cheerios can't say may lower cholesterol? I thought it was pretty well-known that oats can lower cholesterol.
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At that point, you're making a specific clinical claim about your product, which runs afoul of the FDCA. You can make generic health claims, but DSHEA makes you put that "This statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease" statement somewhere on the product.

The whole point of this is to make sure that what is advertised has been evaluated by the FDA as both safe and efficacious. Maybe oats can reduce cholesterol, but is it true the amounts in Cheerios do? What is the mechanism for this? What is the specific chemical compound or compounds that have this effect? Is there sufficient data to demonstrate that? How much will your cholesterol be lowered, and over what period of time, and is it both statistically and clinically significant? These are things that need to be more explicitly defined and evaluated for the safety of the patient or consumer, and that all medications have to show before they can be sold either as prescriptions or over-the-counter medications.

It sounds silly, but there's a lot of snake oil salespeople out there who have, and if these laws weren't in place, would jump at the first opportunity to lie about their product. Supplement manufacturers do that already, because DSHEA allows them to put whatever vague claims they want as long as that FDA rider is on the bottle.
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Lord Golbez wrote:
I often find that probiotics can exacerbate IBS symptoms.


I have UC and I found it helped after I stuck with them. Short term it was awful though.
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I don't know how well it bears out in reality that isolating a particular compound responsible for the beneficial effect of a food is the best procedure. It seems to me that there are often complex interactions among various nutrients in foods that are often hard to track and that when you try to isolate just one or a few compounds it's not always as effective. In the case of oats and cholesterol, it's probably the soluble fiber though.
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You can do the research to show that certain foods have benefits, and a lot of people have. The FDA won't come after anyone for talking about the benefits of certain diets or eating particular foods, but when you make a specific clinical claim about a product you're selling, you need to do the research to show the benefit, or you have to slap that FDA rider on it. The law is there to minimize the likelihood of hucksters deceptively selling something that's either unsafe, like ephedra, or ineffective, like homeopathy.

And it isn't like drug makers don't play the law, either. A lot of antidiabetic meds show statistically significant weight loss, but you dig into the details and it's something like a 3 kg difference over 4 months of use. But that doesn't stop Eli Lilly from sticking it in their commercials, because they did the work and put it in the new drug application, so legally, they can make that (clinically meaningless) claim.
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Canwe go back to the topic of fermenting tea plz Frust

I started my ferment in a commercial grade Rubbermaid. I was told this wasnít a good idea because plastic. So I ordered one gallon glass jars to replace it. I will do an AB test for my next batch.
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When I first started homebrewing, I had a big plastic bucket for fermenting. Then I got a big glass carboy. I didn't notice much of a difference in taste, but the beer fermented in the glass container definitely came out more highly carbonated.

What tea did you brew initially?
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What kind of weird exotic diseases have you contracted from fermenting stuff?
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Lord Golbez wrote:
What kind of weird exotic diseases have you contracted from fermenting stuff?


Usually when drinking fermented beverages I contract a severe case of drunk.
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Weirrrrrd,
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Lord Golbez wrote:
What kind of weird exotic diseases have you contracted from fermenting stuff?


Iíve had chronic shitpostosia, due to that.

And a fat belly because bread and beer.


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When I first started homebrewing, I had a big plastic bucket for fermenting. Then I got a big glass carboy. I didn't notice much of a difference in taste, but the beer fermented in the glass container definitely came out more highly carbonated.

What tea did you brew initially?


Organic black tea.
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You should brew synthetic black tea!
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Or syncretic black tea. Just throw a bunch of different ones on there.
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Iím going to use cyogenic black tsr and see what it gives.

Update progress. It smells.
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It smells... delicious???
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It smells... delicious???


Itís like something you forget in your lunchbox for a couple of days. So no.
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Fermentation is weird.
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Fermentation is weird.


Tíes. Even weirder: the people that ferment stuff.
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But we all ferment stuff, technically.
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The smell has subdued today.
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Today is the day I start tasting it.
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Mild shock: it tastes kinda like kombucha
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I took the mother out and stored her in the fridge.
I flavoured the last 1.5L with coriander and orange zeste. Will bottle tomorrow or Monday.

Still smells good.
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Itís now bottled to develop fizz
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Iím drinking beer! It is in a bottle and also has fizz. It has no mother tho.
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[quote="smeared ink"]Iím drinking beer! It is in a bottle and also has fizz. It has no mother tho. [/quote
Iím not because i feel like shit RN
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I have consumed it after my workout today.

It was envigorating.

Time to start batch #2
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How will batch #2 be different?
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Mitsurugi CP wrote:
How will batch #2 be different?


Will likely make a bit more. Aromatise with something less acidic than blood orange.
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Brew looks like this after proper second ferment.

https://instagram.com/p/Bh1q78AHoXn/

Itís good and I am starting my second batch.
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My local grocery store has one of those "fill your own growlers with kombucha" things and it's weird.
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Vibing_V wrote:
My local grocery store has one of those "fill your own growlers with kombucha" things and it's weird.


Iíve heard of those. Is it any cheaper?

My second brew is now a week old. I had torn my scoby and now it floats again making me think that the tear is fixed.
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A fill your own! I saw these everywhere when I was in New England. I always found the ones that came in a bottle to be far superior. Not sure why but the on-top versions just didn't seem to have the usual kombucha sting/kick to them ... I suspect they were less fermented.
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Holy Moly! Nikon must have finished reading the thread!
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I've never had kombucha but I feel compelled to post about it anyway
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Iím about to flavour my second batch this afternoon. Iím thinking lemongrass and ginger.
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good call. i like an abundance of ginger. the point to which it is almost painful to drink
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Iím about to flavour my second batch this afternoon. Iím thinking lemongrass and ginger.

That sounds good. Ship some down south so I can try it?
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