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Have you bought your dollars yet?
More importantly, have you given more thoughts to moving to our side of the pond? Not sure if the grass is greener over here, but I do know your Prime minister's recent statements do seem worrying.
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Maybe in the future (to Canada, not America), depending how it goes. Still aiming for Manchester right now. I'm still hoping something happens that ends this stupidity

We plan to get some $$$ next week when I get paid, even though it seems that right now is the very worst time to buy them
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Yeah, I was talking about Canada too, not the US. For a start, it's actually fairly simple to move to Canada, and it's definitely not that easy to move to the US. And of course, Canada's policies in general are way more "European"...

Anyway, not that I want to be negative or anything, but sadly I believe Brexit will happen, and I believe it will only go downhill from there. It saddens me but I don't see how it could go any other way.

As for buying $$$ at the moment, I know what you mean. But I wouldn't be surprised if the pound lost even more of its value by mid-november.
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Well the good news is I've always wanted to visit the UK and now I'll get a lot more bang for my buck.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:20 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

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Anyway, not that I want to be negative or anything, but sadly I believe Brexit will happen, and I believe it will only go downhill from there.


Oh I know that! I'm under no illusions that they're going to be brave and sensible and back up on the clear disaster waiting to happen.
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So basically you're waiting to see how big of a disaster it is?

@Cid, I guess from an outside perspective it looks like a nice opportunity indeed. China must be so happy, it's gonna be like sales time for them.
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I don't think I can realistically simply get up and move country. I know you're used to it, but it'd be a huge undertaking for most people, myself included.
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Can we take England's place in the European Union? Like, just New York, maybe a few other rational states?
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Damien wrote:
I don't think I can realistically simply get up and move country. I know you're used to it, but it'd be a huge undertaking for most people, myself included.

Somehow I had missed that comment until now. I totally understand it's not easy to move country. In fact, I have to be candid about it, it's much easier when one doesn't see any possible future in their own country, and I don't wish for anyone else to feel that desperate.

Also, until now the reason why I've been moving so much is because it's much easier to keep on moving than to actually immigrate somewhere with a long term plan.

Personally I hope I won't have to move to a different country once again, but if the U.S. doesn't want me to stay I still don't see any future for myself in Europe.


@RDM, NYC is totally a European city anyway, so it would make sense. I doubt the federal government would accept secession though. Same goes for California and Cascadia if they tried to become independent.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/16/tony-blair-remainers-rise-up-brexit

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Why no future in Europe? You acknowledge NYC as a European city, but you don't have a problem living there. Or have you spent too much time in Europe and it's boring now?
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I'd rather not be in Europe when WWIII starts.
Also, I've got family in the US.
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What makes you so sure Europe will be the stage of WWIII? I'm thinking the US could be major contender right now.
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I feel like WW3 would begin and end pretty quickly.
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What makes you so sure Europe will be the stage of WWIII? I'm thinking the US could be major contender right now.


Isn't that what most Americans think was the case with WWII anyway?
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The RDM overheard a coworker the other day talking about how no one would be stupid enough to start a land war in the Americas because too many American civilians have lots of guns.

It struck the RDM that a lot of people (who own guns) must think the same way. They've convinced themselves that their hobby is somehow heroic.
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What makes you so sure Europe will be the stage of WWIII? I'm thinking the US could be major contender right now.

You've got the Atlantic on one side and the Pacific on the other side. It's impossible to be caught in the middle of a worldwide conflict like that. The geographic advantage is pretty clear tbh. Europe is a way more complicated matter. Look, how many actual acts of war have happened in Europe within the last 50 years versus in the US? I will let you count.

That's without even mentioning that Syria is literally on our doorstep, if you count Turkey as nearly in Europe, which it totally is. And Russia is a pretty obvious threat. To Europe, not to the US.
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Russia doesn't have the (traditional) military power, nor the population, to contend with even a loose confederation of NATO countries (Germany alone could house them). Obviously they've got nukes, which complicates things for everyone, but Putin is too smart to be thinking anything like outright war with European nations.
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It struck the RDM that a lot of people (who own guns) must think the same way. They've convinced themselves that their hobby is somehow heroic.


Yeah, this part has always seemed pretty clear to me.
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The RDM had previously thought that such sentiments were reserved for particularly dumb people who like guns, not all people who like guns.
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particularly dumb people who like guns


In my country we call those "Americans."

(Note: We're smug assholes here.)
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Those people with guns are why war on the ground in the US is likely.
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The RDM had assumed that there were people out there, somewhere, who realized that they liked guns because shooting things is fun, rather than because guns make them superheroes.
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All the wrong people have guns, IMO. It would be good to have to protect against fascist governments, but all the people with guns are for authoritarian rule, so they would never fight against a government that actually does actions to warrant it.
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There should be a brief psychological exam associated with all gun sales. It consists of one question:

1. Do you want to buy a gun?

If the answer is yes, the person is labelled "potentially dangerous" and denied the sale. If the answer is no everyone just returns to what they were doing like nothing ever happened.
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Russia doesn't have the (traditional) military power, nor the population, to contend with even a loose confederation of NATO countries (Germany alone could house them). Obviously they've got nukes, which complicates things for everyone, but Putin is too smart to be thinking anything like outright war with European nations.

I assume you've heard of Ukraine and Georgia, right? As in, the country, not the state? And you do realise that Europe relies widely on Russia for its energy supplies?

Now, post Brexit, the only country within the EU with a semi decent army (and nukes) is France. So, I wonder, who's likely to get nuked first if anything goes seriously wrong?
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No one is getting nuked unless it's the US or North Korea doing the nuking, everyone else has too much sense. Ukraine and Georgia were both destabilized from the inside-out. International response was pathetic, but neither involved actual military force.
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Terrorists don't have too much sense and some getting access to a nuke is not entirely implausible.
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Ukraine and Georgia were both destabilized from the inside-out.
Do you actually believe this? Then either you or I must have been reading fake news. Onoes

On a more serious note, I don't really think anyone is gonna get nuked anytime soon. But I do believe that if a major conflict does happen before we die of old age, Europe will suffer a lot more from it than America will (mostly thinking about the economy here). Because, you know, it's part of the Eurasian continent, and it's way more dependent on its neighbours.

I'm also totally serious about the fact France is more likely to be targeted than other countries, due to plenty of geopolitical and economic reasons. Oh, and the fact that we send troops abroad to fight terrorism, when the rest of Europe doesn't do it as much.
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Is all your family outside France now?
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My siblings are, and some of my cousins. My parents are technically in France, but they travel a lot, so I'm just as likely to see them elsewhere.

But see, here is the key. All my life I've had family spread across the globe (as far as New Caledonia, one can't go much further than that while staying on Earth).

Without rambling, my family is very international, multicultural and multiracial (I was gonna say multilingual, but that's only 4-5 languages in total, I think). We have a decent collection of passports between us. Not quite as multicultural on my husband's side, but still, he's got direct relatives as far as NZ.

I love Europe, as well as its History and Culture, but it's not international enough for me, I guess. NYC is literally the best place in the world if you seek diversity, which is why I love it here. I've lived in truly diverse places before, but they were all actual dictatorships, so no thanks.
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The RDM doesn't know much about what happened in Georgia, but in Ukraine it was pretty clear. Yanukovich was essentially a Russian plant as Prime Minister (who worked with one of Trump's former campaign managers, Paul Manafort to improve his image as "totally not a puppet"). Plans to "take back" Crimea appeared to be kind of a standing thing Russia had in place that they only acted on once their ally was ousted.
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I think you forget the intense online propaganda from Russia back then (already), as well as the direct military intervention. The thing is, Crimea was always a strategic place, so it was only a matter of time. But remember that tiny piece of Russia near Poland? I wouldn't want to be in one of the Baltic states right now.
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Oh and https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pence-and-merkel-embrace-nato-but-differ-on-transatlantic-partnership/2017/02/18/909c6a92-f55c-11e6-9fb1-2d8f3fc9c0ed_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_eurosecurity-725am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4cd909c3f3ba

And before someone says this has nothing to do with Brexit, it totally does. Because, you know, the whole point of creating the EU in the first place was to insure peace in Europe.
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