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 Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject:  Square: It's too hard making videogames in HD |
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235030?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS
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Most of the criticisms have come because the first half of the game is very linear.
"But we've got a story to tell, and it's important the player can engage with the characters and the world they inhabit before letting them loose..."
The game's director Motomu Toriyama added: "We think many reviewers are looking at Final Fantasy XIII from a western point of view. When you look at most Western RPGs, they just dump you in a big open world, and let you do whatever you like... [It] becomes very difficult to tell a compelling story when you're given that much freedom."
They might have a point - reviewers don't seem to be able to make up their mind on the title.
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 what shallow excuses for this shell of its former self.
It's not like there weren't any recent examples of something that 'too hard to do' that came out a couple of weeks ago, like the excellent PC game Mass Effect 2. 
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Ward I can't tell anymore if you are still 100% WaWard.
Halp me out. |
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains  Carson 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:51 am Post subject: |
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once again
mass effect 2 is not an open world game. if me2 is an open world game, so is ff12 or dq8 and about every rpg ever.
and the plot isn't compelling either.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:13 am Post subject: |
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once again? wtf u babbling about HK?
you only posted once.
And please, let's not not derail the thread because I may not have used the best example.
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Because I said the same thing on tfb and I'm tired of repeating it. People can cite ME2 all they want, and then realize that ME2 has about 10 minutes worth of plot development and then press the x on the top right corner of their browser window, top left corner if they're using mac!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:16 am Post subject: |
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fine, but this is about Square sucking, not mass effect 2 sucking.
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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I agree that square sucks. I'm just saying that there is truth to his statement.
For example, would you say that Oblivion or GTA have compelling stories?
That said, I won't defend Square. They made an rpg that barely has any towns, barely any npcs, or exploration or sidequests. I don't think anyone wants FF to be open world, but I don't think anyone wants FF to be Xenosaga on steroids either.
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Depends on the game, really. And I certainly wouldn't say that Square's RPGs have compelling stories either.
There's definitely truth to his statement, but the biggest truth that lies in the statement is that they're too fucking lazy or creatively bankrupt to make it work.
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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yeah the hilarious thing about it to me isn't the open world comment, it's the compelling stories comment. I have played maybe less than 10 games ever that have "compelling" stories.
And pretty much none of them are made by Square or Enix.
There is a line between entertaining and compelling.
and yeah I agree. this is square enix, arguably the richest rpg developer in the world. and this is their excuse, and ff13 is their answer. They have all the resources in the world.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:27 am Post subject: |
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And Kitase's regressing further and further with every release on that aspect. Not cool bro.
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Well, Kitase is the producer, Toriyama directed (and I think wrote?) ff13.
Not that it matters.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: |
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:03 am Post subject: |
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ME2 rox
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JoeiTenkyu Star  SA 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:09 am Post subject: |
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i thought they would have used the "it's in HD" excuse.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think they're keeping that one for a bit later this year.
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WaWard
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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And something else comes up today. To paraphrase the whole thing, "It's too hard making world maps in HD".
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In an interview featured in the latest issue of Famitsu (via a transcript posted at Square Enix fan site FF Reunion), Square Enix super producer Tetsuya Nomura said of Versus, "We were hoping to debut it at E3, but we're not sure now."
The slippage appears to be due to some changes that are being made to the world map system. "For displaying characters on the world map, we were originally planning on using the method used by FF#, with a small Noctus running about on the screen. But that didn't look too great, so we ended up switching to the method used by FF#."
Those "#" signs are presumably meant to be the roman numerals of certain games in the main Final Fantasy series, but Famitsu had to block them out. Both Famitsu and Nomura agreed that the change is a major one.
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http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/17/ff_versus_xiii_may_miss_e3/
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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I can only hope this basically means:
FF7 style where you have a big head popping out of a forest is stupid so we're going it FF12/DQ8 style. |
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WaWard
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Well i sincerely hope it goes the DQVIII route as it had basically the best modern world map of any JRPG. Probably still too hard for the good folks over at Square-Enix. I mean, they had to go and hire Level 5 to get that done.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| WaWard wrote: |
And something else comes up today. To paraphrase the whole thing, "It's too hard making world maps in HD".
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In an interview featured in the latest issue of Famitsu (via a transcript posted at Square Enix fan site FF Reunion), Square Enix super producer Tetsuya Nomura said of Versus, "We were hoping to debut it at E3, but we're not sure now."
The slippage appears to be due to some changes that are being made to the world map system. "For displaying characters on the world map, we were originally planning on using the method used by FF#, with a small Noctus running about on the screen. But that didn't look too great, so we ended up switching to the method used by FF#."
Those "#" signs are presumably meant to be the roman numerals of certain games in the main Final Fantasy series, but Famitsu had to block them out. Both Famitsu and Nomura agreed that the change is a major one.
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http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/17/ff_versus_xiii_may_miss_e3/ |
That shit is why you prototype fancy new gui features before you spend a ton of time and money coding the thing "for reals."
Too hard, my ass. It's too expensive.
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WaWard
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Try telling that to my bosses. D:
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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it's too hard to get out of bed and go to work, let's just stay home!
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WaWard
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: |
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if i still get my paycheck, im in.
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Plaztik</3  Amarillo 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| if i still get my paycheck, im in. |
you get a paycheck?
of course it's all about the moneys and SE not willing to spend it. They'll probably be like : "Hi, but FFXIII VS has it, plz buy that! lol ^x^"
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Well i sincerely hope it goes the DQVIII route as it had basically the best modern world map of any JRPG. |
Of course, it had one of the few real world maps of any modern JRPG.
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WaWard
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but that doesn't take away its merits.
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Don't give it FF13 graphics then, problem solved.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what you're talking about Ward. Seems pretty heavily implied there already.
In other words, I can easily choose to interpret it that way. |
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WaWard
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Well I agree, that's what I meant. He's literally one step away from actually saying 'we dropped the ball with FFXIII - but we really tried hard - I swear - so you should buy it!'.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Unless there was a mass office shred-fest after that damn movie tanked, they should still have all of the assets.
Just dig up all of the 3DSMax (or whatever) files all of the pre-rendered backgrounds were, uh, pre-rendered from, and import them into PS3 objects.
However, I'm almost willing to bet a handful of guys have been tinkering away on it in a basement somewhere since before that 'tech demo' appeared a couple or three years ago. |
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is that the old objects are such a low res.
They'd have to go and redo each and every pre-rendered bg.
But since the game is done and has been done for over a decade, and they've grown as a developer since, that shouldn't take long at all.
Why does an FF7 remake have to have top of the line graphics? This shows their priorities and it's not on the game.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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It's pretty hard to redo stuff.
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himurokokentrainstrainstrains Carson
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:29 am Post subject: |
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http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3178060
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| As far as Kitase is concerned, FFXIII isn't even really a role-playing game. "We didn't really intend to work within with the RPG template," he says. "We wanted to create a new game, even a new genre. The way we look at it, there's isn't a certain format that we have to keep to and build a game around. Rather, it goes the other way around. We create a game and, depending on what works or doesn't work within that game, it ends up reflecting different staple elements." |
CAN'T BREATHE.
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| "Because players are presented with multiple different situations on the field, in a lot of senses FFXIII is more like an FPS than an RPG," says director Motomu Toriyama. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Is the sodding thing out yet? I'm dying to flame here.
Also, I was reading a news blog earlier and nearly screamed at "FFVII-2?"
Turns out it was a fan video that wasn't funny, but goddamn.
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why would it be out when the over-publicised release date is 9th March?
and yeah why do they keep saying shit about being inspired by Call of Duty and that they wanted to make an RPG for people who like those kinds of games? It makes no sense.
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"It's pretty hard to make an RPG in HD."
We're very close to getting the thread title implied in an interview. Keep it up SE! √√√√
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| For characters like Sahz, who have new summons, that was simply inspired by the fact that we wanted Sahz to ride a red car! |
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| Much of FFXIII's plot plays out similar to the TV series Lost, with a heavy emphasis on character-specific flashbacks (some playable, some not). |
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*facepalm*
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AHAHAHA
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| For characters like Sahz, who have new summons, that was simply inspired by the fact that we wanted Sahz to ride a red car! |
But why is Sahz's car red? Square must be up to something. |
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You know what's awesome? The fact that I was the only one that voted "no" 
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