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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:14 pm    Post subject:  Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

We got the following info on numero 12

Cast-Not bad character designs questionable on bunny girl thier but good either way

Story Line-from what the tell us so far its a nice big war between two kingdoms, with the judges from ffta, never played the game thought about it but either way it should be intresting, even though the story might change into something way different. remember ff8 it when from time travling to sorceress hunting. but should be good overall

Battles-one thing to no more mofo randoms

graphics-hell if i had that talent i too would be a millionair

music-havn't heard anything yet but with final fantasy music it will sweet either way

whats your opinion

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:31 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

i hope game play isnt a lot like FFTA, cuz it bored me very quickly
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:54 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

The gameplay looks similiar to FFXI DO. Oh and bunny chick is hot, Vaan looks like a fruit in CG but ok in in game graphics, and that is all.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:04 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

Van looks hot in cg.

FFXI like battles worry me but the overall presentation of this game ASTOUNDS me. Check!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

Some music samples can be found here :
http://www.ff12.com/music/index2.html
http://www.ff12.com/music/index3.html

The game looks promising.
The character design is a bit weird (Ashe's pink skirt looks somewhat stupid) when it comes to clothing, but the characters themselves seem OK to me. The Viera girl looks good.
The overall graphics are really beautiful (love the airships), and that mediterranean looking setting seems interesting.
The battle system might bring a refreshing change in the main series.
I don't know much about the story... And I'd rather avoid spoilers, anyway, until I play the game.

And the trailer is
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

lol... a nub starts the first FF thread.

Ah well.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:13 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

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Van looks hot in cg. :{

FFXI like battles worry me but the overall presentation of this game ASTOUNDS me. :check

What do you have to be worried about?

I'm just wondering what your concerns are since you stopped playing so early on in the game to really be able to come to any sort of concrete or definitive conclusion.

You admitted that you only achieved level 9 with your Taru black mage which would mean you really have no experience with FFXI battle configurations and the system in general, whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:53 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

I'm quite familiar with FFXI style battles Mr. Green , but I am still concerned about its implementation into a more traditional style RPG.

The fact that you only actively control one character at a time bothers me a bit (the characters you are not controlling at any given moment behave/react based on simple commands like "attack" "heal" "defend", etc). Anyone played the Star Ocean games? Granted this is a pretty loose connection here but any of the people you weren't controlling were amazingly good at getting themselves killed, wasting all of their MP on monsters you can kill in one hit, and generally just bad.

I hope FFXII can get around this very large obsticle. I would go so far as to say that it will be the very thing that makes or breaks this game. See, in FFXI you had real people controlling the other characters in your PT, so the battle system works good when you only really make decisions for one and everyone else basically takes care of their job as well. The ability for characters you aren't controlling to do the same in FFXII is going to be interesting to see if they can pull it off.

I for one don't really want to jump back and forth between 3 characters giving orders to them for one action, possibly changing the orders of others, then switching to someone else one second later because they are doing something stupid (getting themselves killed, wasting MP/items, etc). Battles are fully real time, so you aren't going to be able to catch everything.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

I like the fact that Matsuno is doing the story. Mr. Green That means some crazy plot twists and some good political schtuff and whatnot. Icon_3nodding

I predict good things for FFXII. Maybe it will be a good PS2 FF... *glares at FFX*
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:36 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

t-storm wrote:
himurokoken wrote:
Van looks hot in cg.

FFXI like battles worry me but the overall presentation of this game ASTOUNDS me. Check!

What do you have to be worried about?

I'm just wondering what your concerns are since you stopped playing so early on in the game to really be able to come to any sort of concrete or definitive conclusion.

You admitted that you only achieved level 9 with your Taru black mage which would mean you really have no experience with FFXI battle configurations and the system in general, whatsoever.


An mmorpg battle system is fine in just that: an mmorpg. I don't want to play an mmorpg like battle system in an OFFLINE game. It's just not my style, and what I've seen from battle movies, I don't think I"ll enjoy the battle system at ALL. Way way way too slow.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

Doom wrote:
lol... a nub starts the first FF thread.

Ah well.


Funny, but bound to happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

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An mmorpg battle system is fine in just that: an mmorpg. I don't want to play an mmorpg like battle system in an OFFLINE game. It's just not my style,

That's because they suck ass. Like most people play MMOs for the gameplay (in the strictest sense, by which I obviously mean combat system)?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

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himurokoken wrote:
An mmorpg battle system is fine in just that: an mmorpg. I don't want to play an mmorpg like battle system in an OFFLINE game. It's just not my style,

That's because they suck ass. Like most people play MMOs for the gameplay (in the strictest sense, by which I obviously mean combat system)?


They don't? WTF DO they play them for then? Graphics intensive chat?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

Exactly.
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Regardless, a traditional RPG with an MMORPG battle system still has the story element to carry it forth............
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:59 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

One hopes. However, I'm a little worried about a story about "Judges."
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:14 am    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

I rate this game 11/10 because its so much fun lol
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:08 am    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

Doom wrote:
himurokoken wrote:
An mmorpg battle system is fine in just that: an mmorpg. I don't want to play an mmorpg like battle system in an OFFLINE game. It's just not my style,

That's because they suck ass. Like most people play MMOs for the gameplay (in the strictest sense, by which I obviously mean combat system)?


Actually I quite like FF:XI's battle system and it is indeed a lot of fun to go into fights with a good party. Maybe most mmo battle systems are bad, but I think FF:XI's is very good. It is actually one of the main reasons I play the game. Though I have been liking the story, the missions are pretty spread out. In fact the battle system really is the only reason to play FF:XI at all. As beautiful as the game is, if the battle system was bad I wouldn't be playing it. I would have quit a long time to go. Personaly goals in the game aside, the thought of getting into awsome party's and flying through fairly intense fights keeps me playing.
Point being that FF:XI's battle system is great. For FF:XI. For FF:XII.... Probably not. But FF:XII isn't an MMO. And therefore, even if the battle systems between FF:XI and FF:XII are similar, you can't compare them. It would be like comparing the taste of vegetables to fruits. It's just not happening.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:06 am    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

They are more similar than you may realize at first though, Kak. Even the gameplay in general is similar to FFXI style - free roaming camera, fully 3D areas/towns to explore...

Can they pull it off? It has the potential, I'll give it that, but Square can screw things up pretty badly sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:09 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote Back to top

I think controlling a whole party by yourself in an FFXI style battle would be a bit tedious and difficult, unless they are going to include AI like Star Ocean, which they very well could do.
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I don't think I'm too keen on the idea of inserting third-party control into FF.
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Me neither. I like the idea of tinkering with the battle system in each seperate evolution of the series, but taking the full control out of my hands is a bit too much for me for a "main" Final Fantasy.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:50 am    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

Thats what has me worried. They have said that you can jump full control from character to character at whim, but anyone you are not directly controlling acts based on procedures you can define. Depending on how fast battles are its not likely that you can jump between characters fast enough to govern their every move.

"Attack Stuff", "Heal Hurt People", "Cast Magic", etc are likely going to be standard fare - with any luck there will be more customization than that (like in depth stuff such as "Attack Stuff - but don't use X, Y, or Z to do so, and only attack enemies with high HP").
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It'd be a different story if you could pause the game to give commands to all of your party members a la Baldur's Gate, but... bleh.

I guess they're trying to blur the line between RPG and action/RPG, which, I think, is something to experiment with independently, and NOT with FF.
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Exactly. I believe I made a point a long, long time ago - Square's main series, Final Fantasy to me is the finished product and the culimination of everything Squaresoft really wanted to put into a game that year. All of their side projects, like Vagrant Story, Xenogears, Brave Fencer Musashi, all of those RPGs were like "beta tests" for what they could find was good and then incorporate it into the Final Fantasy series.

They have been slowly blurring the line, but I'm not entirely convinced yet. However Square putting out Star Ocean 3 has me a bit worried. I'm open to new things, just not entire drastic change.
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Actually, this kind of thing is probably something that I'd like to see in KH, but it doesn't seem to be that way either.
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Actually, this kind of thing is probably something that I'd like to see in KH, but it doesn't seem to be that way either.


*nods* Defenitely. Kingdom Hearts would be a pretty good place for a battle system like this since it is in the vein of Star Ocean. I thought they should have built upon the system established with FFX/FFX2 (incorporating the more actiony elements of the battle, like combos) which would have been fun with an FFXI layout.
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On the other side of the medal, I'm rejoicing that they're experimenting with drastic changes in the FF series. I was getting bored with the original gameplay concept that's been kept since the first game. While it's still kept to a certain degree, it's changed enough to pike my interest in it much more than I was with other FFs since FFVIII.

That being said, I would also have prefered them to make a new series/game to make new gameplay experiences (if we had less than a FF per year in average, that is), but we all know what SE's recent stance is on use of the series. So it was pretty much inevitable that such changes would be brought to FF, for without drastic changes, and with quasi-yearly iterations of the series, even some fans get sick of games that barely evolve. *shrugs*
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:46 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

Hey Doom unlike some people that are not fighting the war against terrorism and have no life, i doing my duty thats besides that been to this website since the dawn of time i rather not post because its redundant and people like you have smar @ZZ stuff to say so anyways


note to self yeah van looks fruity
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wtf

this is why nubs don't start threads
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:44 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

Saint_Michael wrote:
Hey Doom unlike some people that are not fighting the war against terrorism and have no life, i doing my duty thats besides that been to this website since the dawn of time i rather not post because its redundant and people like you have smar @ZZ stuff to say so anyways


note to self yeah van looks fruity


ROFL. The combination of atrocious grammar and absolute lack of logic make this post impossible to understand. Nub has so many dialects, I think anyone who wanted to reliably interpret it would have to dedicate his life to it.

P.S. Saint Michael is totally not the "saint of saints" and FF8 does not go from time travelling to sorceress hunting, if anything it goes from sorceress hunting to time travelling, except that sorceress hunting is still an important part of the plot when time travelling enters in, so it really doesn't do that at all.
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Just take a cup of tea and a biscuit and choke on it plz Mr noob, there was nothing offensive in what Doom said.
You just missed a good opportunity to shut up, gj!


And about FFXII, I'd prefer it if they kept Ivalice world in the FFT serie... I wouldn't really mind if the gameplay changed though
The charadesign is ok imo, but nothing special.... I'm really starting to miss good ol' Amano's arts
As for the trailer, haven't been able to watch it yet, crappy 56k connection... Sad Hope I'll be able to watch it from work next week....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject:  Re: Final fantasy XII Might as well start it Reply with quote Back to top

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The gameplay looks similiar to FFXI DO. Oh and bunny chick is hot, Vaan looks like a fruit in CG but ok in in game graphics, and that is all.


so... its a single player mmorpg with a story, i never played FFXI, but i lost my GG buddy Ken to that game... that's ok tho, he sucked anyways
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Saint_Michael wrote:
Hey Doom unlike some people that are not fighting the war against terrorism and have no life, i doing my duty thats besides that been to this website since the dawn of time i rather not post because its redundant and people like you have smar @ZZ stuff to say so anyways


note to self yeah van looks fruity

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Wanna run that by me again?
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Can I?

Doom has never bowned. What a pathetic guy.

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